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Helpi think this is your hormones talking for you...
in reply to a message by anxiolytics
1. You are all upset because some people have pronounced Rosalie like it's Rosa Lee. All right, I get that, and it is annoying. But you've got a Schuyler and, for God's sake,a Saoirse! Don't tell me you don't have people mangling those names too, especially Saoirse?
2. I certainly hope you see that Indigo Violet is totally ridiculous, and why it is.
3. And you think people won't mangle Persephone?
4. Isabel is definitely in the top 200, and Skylar, spelled like that, is too. This worry over having the name be too popular appears to be dependent on whether you happen to love the name or not.
let it go. The name regret is normal, but you're feeding it and making it grow. You liked Rosalie, your husband liked Rosalie. I doubt that many people will mispronounce the name, certainly not as many as would mangle Saoirse or Persephone. It's fine.
2. I certainly hope you see that Indigo Violet is totally ridiculous, and why it is.
3. And you think people won't mangle Persephone?
4. Isabel is definitely in the top 200, and Skylar, spelled like that, is too. This worry over having the name be too popular appears to be dependent on whether you happen to love the name or not.
let it go. The name regret is normal, but you're feeding it and making it grow. You liked Rosalie, your husband liked Rosalie. I doubt that many people will mispronounce the name, certainly not as many as would mangle Saoirse or Persephone. It's fine.
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Yeah, I was going to say that in #1 yesterday! but my mouse died and I had to restart. Also, Katrina is ethnic with Kelley, but Schuyler isn't? Wha.
I'm not on board about it being "hormones" but I do think it's sort of self-indulgent to obsess about it. What's done is done; you change your mind every day. A good name was chosen, the box is checked off. If you don't have another specific name that both parents really desire to change it to, why freak out.
Anyway my suggestion is Calista. I kinda like how it sounds with Kelley.
Yeah, I was going to say that in #1 yesterday! but my mouse died and I had to restart. Also, Katrina is ethnic with Kelley, but Schuyler isn't? Wha.
I'm not on board about it being "hormones" but I do think it's sort of self-indulgent to obsess about it. What's done is done; you change your mind every day. A good name was chosen, the box is checked off. If you don't have another specific name that both parents really desire to change it to, why freak out.
Anyway my suggestion is Calista. I kinda like how it sounds with Kelley.
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For a moment there, I was about to sympathize with you,thinking you had a little rodent that was no more. Then I realized, no, you refer to a computer mouse.
I guess because I'd been reading about funerals in the lounge.
I sort of feel like my kids came with their names, could never imagine them being anything but what they are. With each, though, I had to stop referring to them as "The Baby."
I guess because I'd been reading about funerals in the lounge.
I sort of feel like my kids came with their names, could never imagine them being anything but what they are. With each, though, I had to stop referring to them as "The Baby."
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I am not sure why he thinks Katrina is too ethnic-but he does. i think I prefer it to Rosalie but I know he doesn't, so I may have to let it all go, whether it is self-indulgence, hormones, or nothing but sheer regret. He did not like Calista, I remember that specifically, but thank you for the idea!
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Sorry if I sounded harsh ... I do relate to you. I've had some pangs of self-criticism for the names I gave. But it's not bad, I still like them a lot, and those are their names. I felt sort of disempowered once the naming was done - but the cake was baked, I would have felt too silly trying to unbake it, and also ... I enjoyed just being fascinated at what I had wrought, that had gone beyond me. Bearing the given name is like the second separation of child from mother (the first one being birth). Gotta let go.
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Thats's pretty much how my husband feels. Thank you for apologizing for sounding harsh, and I appreciate your opinion, I can totally understand the point that both you and he are making, it's hard to imagine actually doing it (changing her name)but I also would like too think I did not make a collosal mistake. I still have such regret over my oldest child's name, i guess that is part of it for me, that he would not let me use the names I loved then, etc.
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I'm going to agree with RoxStar for the 1000th time...
I don't see anything wrong with Rosalie Violet Kelley. Actually, I think it's quite pretty. It's not really a big deal to correct people on the syllable emphasis of Rosalie (unless you're pronouncing it ROZ-a-lee? I assume not). Admittedly, this is coming from someone who has had to spell her first name out all her life and then at 28 chose an even more difficult (middle) name to go by. With the nature of naming these days, though, nearly everyone has to correct and/or spell out.
Just curious, though - what exactly sounds too ethnic about Katrina Kelley? I'm not seeing it.
As an aside, I love Persephone, Isis, and Thalia. I do like the "THAY-lee-ah" pronunciation, but the one I use is "THAL-ee-ah." Persephone would probably have been my choice for myself if I hadn't immediately struck a chord with my new name.
I don't see anything wrong with Rosalie Violet Kelley. Actually, I think it's quite pretty. It's not really a big deal to correct people on the syllable emphasis of Rosalie (unless you're pronouncing it ROZ-a-lee? I assume not). Admittedly, this is coming from someone who has had to spell her first name out all her life and then at 28 chose an even more difficult (middle) name to go by. With the nature of naming these days, though, nearly everyone has to correct and/or spell out.
Just curious, though - what exactly sounds too ethnic about Katrina Kelley? I'm not seeing it.
As an aside, I love Persephone, Isis, and Thalia. I do like the "THAY-lee-ah" pronunciation, but the one I use is "THAL-ee-ah." Persephone would probably have been my choice for myself if I hadn't immediately struck a chord with my new name.
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Thalia...
I don't care for it, because I don't like th sounds, but I do like the pronunciation Thay-Lee-A. Or rather, Thayl-yuh.
Funny thing is, Thalia is the name of the town in Larry McMurtry's Last Picture Show series. But for some reason, when they made movies of some of the books, they changed the name of the town to Anarene.
There really is a Thalia, Texas, but the one McMurtry uses is made up and I think, in a different part of the state from the real Thalia. In any case I have no idea how the book Thalia is supposed to be pronounced, but I assume it's Thayl-yuh.
I don't care for it, because I don't like th sounds, but I do like the pronunciation Thay-Lee-A. Or rather, Thayl-yuh.
Funny thing is, Thalia is the name of the town in Larry McMurtry's Last Picture Show series. But for some reason, when they made movies of some of the books, they changed the name of the town to Anarene.
There really is a Thalia, Texas, but the one McMurtry uses is made up and I think, in a different part of the state from the real Thalia. In any case I have no idea how the book Thalia is supposed to be pronounced, but I assume it's Thayl-yuh.
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that was a bi deterrent for me, the "TH" is a bit of a turn off, but the alia is pretty.
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Hmm... I like the "TH," I find it interesting. It stands out from most of the sounds that are popular right now. But I also have weird preferences when it comes to sounds in words and names - for instance, I love names that begin with F and "Ar."
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For some reason, he finds Katrina too European (as opposed to Irish or Enlish sounding?). He is also bothered by the hurricane assoc.
We both liked Persephone a bit but thought it would get shortened and did not want a name too long, I had a discussion with him about changing it to that last week and he said he would not change it to Persephone, likes Rosalie MUCH better, so I know that is out. Isis is out even though I LOVE it b/c he feels it is just too close to Isabel in spelling (not pron.)
Thalia-I went back and forth on this and we decided on Rosalie over Thalia, but it was pretty close.
So my options to revisit or discuss with him would be Thalia, Katrina, Violet, or something new. He likes Rosalie better than all of those so it will be a hard sell.
We both liked Persephone a bit but thought it would get shortened and did not want a name too long, I had a discussion with him about changing it to that last week and he said he would not change it to Persephone, likes Rosalie MUCH better, so I know that is out. Isis is out even though I LOVE it b/c he feels it is just too close to Isabel in spelling (not pron.)
Thalia-I went back and forth on this and we decided on Rosalie over Thalia, but it was pretty close.
So my options to revisit or discuss with him would be Thalia, Katrina, Violet, or something new. He likes Rosalie better than all of those so it will be a hard sell.
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ITA, I totally recognize that we have two names that already get mangled regularly. you are correct, Saoirse is a beast to defend but I love it so it has never caused me grief. Yet something about the southern/countryishness or hearing "Rosa Lee" just really set me off, I guess b/c it seemed harder to correct? I mean, it's not like people are "mispronouncing," IYKWIM.
I also agree that Persephone will definitely get mangled, and truncated, which was why I decided not to go down that road, we were certain it would get shortened. I want to clarify to you that I regret Isabel largely b/c it IS in the top 200 and gets confused with #1 Isabella. Schuyler I don't hear as much on boys so it has not been an issue if it is indeed w/in the top 200 I have not noticed.
Maybe I am feeding it, but I don't want to have a huge regret down the road that I didn't explore harder b/c I chalked it up to hormones.Then it will be too late. I will take your advice to heart though-i know this is how my husband feels-she's named, it's over.
I also agree that Persephone will definitely get mangled, and truncated, which was why I decided not to go down that road, we were certain it would get shortened. I want to clarify to you that I regret Isabel largely b/c it IS in the top 200 and gets confused with #1 Isabella. Schuyler I don't hear as much on boys so it has not been an issue if it is indeed w/in the top 200 I have not noticed.
Maybe I am feeding it, but I don't want to have a huge regret down the road that I didn't explore harder b/c I chalked it up to hormones.Then it will be too late. I will take your advice to heart though-i know this is how my husband feels-she's named, it's over.
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I'm just wondering if it seems southern/countryish, because you live in the South? Because I think pretty much any name said in a thick Southern accent sounds southern. If not, maybe it's just because there are a lot of southern names that use Leigh or Lee in the female form, sometimes just as a pet name.
I think Rosalie will sound different in different accents, in different places. If you say it the way you want it to be said, and keep reiterating that point then those that are close to her will say it the way you do.
However if you really don't love the name, good luck in your quest. :)
I think Rosalie will sound different in different accents, in different places. If you say it the way you want it to be said, and keep reiterating that point then those that are close to her will say it the way you do.
However if you really don't love the name, good luck in your quest. :)
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I don't live in the south but am from VA-so yes, the -lee thing does have a southern feel to it for me. I am living in MA now, and I/no one around me has a southern accent, but my MIL (in Va) was the first, of course, to call her Rosa Lee. You can imagine how long it took her to get Saoirse right!!!!!
I don't know that I love the name anymore-but my mother suggested calling her by both names. All the names I have suggested to my Dh that end in A he has vetoed-so I do feel rather stuck with it in that I suggested it and agreed to it and now he won't entertain changing it to anything but Violet. so I DO need to decide if I'd rather call her Violet, or try to call her Rosalie Violet, or just call her Rosalie.
Fwiw, I've gotten numerous compliments on her name, which may help me get though this rough patch and remember eventually why I thought it was an option!
I don't know that I love the name anymore-but my mother suggested calling her by both names. All the names I have suggested to my Dh that end in A he has vetoed-so I do feel rather stuck with it in that I suggested it and agreed to it and now he won't entertain changing it to anything but Violet. so I DO need to decide if I'd rather call her Violet, or try to call her Rosalie Violet, or just call her Rosalie.
Fwiw, I've gotten numerous compliments on her name, which may help me get though this rough patch and remember eventually why I thought it was an option!
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Seriously, if you are sure it isn't the right name for her change it. It's not going to hurt anyone as your husband has agreed that it might be a good idea to change it. She's too young to even notice. I wouldn't take it lightly or anything and make sure the name feels right this time, but if you are really not happy with Rosalie it's better to change it now than to regret it for the rest of your life!
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Hi lily, well he's agreed to talk about it, as of last night, but only with a time limit and i know he'll get annoyed quickly. He is only entertaining this topic b/c he knows I am terribly unsettled. I actually really liked the name Rosalie fine until I heard his mother butcher it, and then another, and another person over these weeks, and it got me to associating it with a mis-emphasis/tackiness. But I do agree with mirfak and roxstar that I MUST have liked it enough to name her that originally, KWIM? I also aree with you that I should not just dismiss the possibility of a name I like better if this is getting under my skin-the challenge will be finding something we both like which has been all but impossible. I just wish he would have given a little on ALL my other names. Thalia was the only other one he was kind of OK with and we both weren't in LOVE with it.
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Ditto...and in defense of Rosalie
I think Rosalie a fantastic, both unusual and very practical and versatile name. It has hovered at the top of my list for so long, I would use it in a second. I can't imagine people mispronouncing it, and if they do, I don't think you will have to repeatedly correct them as with some names.
I think Rose is a very practical nickname too if you or anyone ever feels the need to use it. I had a childhood friend name Rosemary and for me, Rose just rolls off the tongue (though she preferred Rosie).
Rosalie gives me beautiful imagery as well, of St. Guadalupe surrounded by roses, and I'm not even Catholic. I believe it is derived from the Saint's name Rosalia though. It also makes me think of divine Indian and Arabic desserts with rose water -- the fragrance and flavor is heavenly. It is the most classic flower and has so many poetic implications. Such a colorful name as well. Hope that helps you appreciate it again. If not, I understand. You want to love your daughter's name. But you should also think about the practicality of the name for your daughter's sake, as I'm sure you are.
I think Rosalie a fantastic, both unusual and very practical and versatile name. It has hovered at the top of my list for so long, I would use it in a second. I can't imagine people mispronouncing it, and if they do, I don't think you will have to repeatedly correct them as with some names.
I think Rose is a very practical nickname too if you or anyone ever feels the need to use it. I had a childhood friend name Rosemary and for me, Rose just rolls off the tongue (though she preferred Rosie).
Rosalie gives me beautiful imagery as well, of St. Guadalupe surrounded by roses, and I'm not even Catholic. I believe it is derived from the Saint's name Rosalia though. It also makes me think of divine Indian and Arabic desserts with rose water -- the fragrance and flavor is heavenly. It is the most classic flower and has so many poetic implications. Such a colorful name as well. Hope that helps you appreciate it again. If not, I understand. You want to love your daughter's name. But you should also think about the practicality of the name for your daughter's sake, as I'm sure you are.
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:) Glad to hear it. Good luck on reaching a decision.
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it could be the middle name Violet is the trouble...
Indigo Violet is very obviously goofy, but Rose Violet or even Rosalie (rosily) Violet can sound like a crayon.
In which case, since it seems to be Violet that the OP is really in love with, she should have used Violet as the first name, so-called popularity be damned. I only know two Violets; they're black ladies over fifty.
Indigo Violet is very obviously goofy, but Rose Violet or even Rosalie (rosily) Violet can sound like a crayon.
In which case, since it seems to be Violet that the OP is really in love with, she should have used Violet as the first name, so-called popularity be damned. I only know two Violets; they're black ladies over fifty.
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I agree Indigo Violet is silly, i would have gone with a different mn then, and as it is Rosalie Violet is VERY flowery and has it's own silliness that I have worried about but figured it wouldn't be said together often. Since violet was a family name (A distant great, great aunt but a family name nonetheless, which my DH really likes employ) I wanted to hang onto it, but my DH did not want to use it as a first name. So even though I was concerned about popularity-the bigger issue was that he was not sold on Violet as a first name anyway, hence our landing on Rosalie-hope that explains things a little better.
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