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HelpRe: "Tryndee" and name nerds
in reply to a message by darrengregory
I think the lower classes, the "proletariat" would be more useful to the patricians or the upper classes than they would the middle classes. The bourgeoisie in Marxist terms wouldn't be the middle class as we think of it today. They'd be wealthier. The petty bourgeoisie might be more equivalent to modern day middle classes. The proletariat would be the ones whose labor makes the upper classes wealthy. The middle classes would just be another (albeit larger) cog in the capitalist wheel. (Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.) I wonder if the middle classes are so disdainful of the lower classes because 1) they have climbed out of the lower class and are desperate to distinguish themselves or 2) they are anxious about falling back into the lower classes and thus they are desperate to distinguish themselves?
I too am a bit offended by chav and bogan, as I am by "white trash," the equivalent in my country. Not that I'm not guilty of using "white trash" from time to time. But I don't think there's much use in trying to argue about names using this kind of logic. I think must of us realize our opinions on names are wholly subjective and mostly irrational. It doesn't matter if you argue that a name like Kaylee might well be a classic one day (as the little black dress was once considered new and vulgar); it doesn't really matter to namenerds, because we already realize our name preferences are based on taste, which isn't, obviously, objective.
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I too am a bit offended by chav and bogan, as I am by "white trash," the equivalent in my country. Not that I'm not guilty of using "white trash" from time to time. But I don't think there's much use in trying to argue about names using this kind of logic. I think must of us realize our opinions on names are wholly subjective and mostly irrational. It doesn't matter if you argue that a name like Kaylee might well be a classic one day (as the little black dress was once considered new and vulgar); it doesn't really matter to namenerds, because we already realize our name preferences are based on taste, which isn't, obviously, objective.
This message was edited 12/13/2014, 8:33 AM
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Very true about the "proletariat." Typically, it is the extremely wealthy and politicians who exploit the impoverished. The middle class often are used as the scape goat by the true bourgeoisie.
Personally, I don't necessarily link chav and "white trash" with socioeconomic status. Instead I think of it more broadly as the taste embodying Weird Al Yankovich's song "Tacky" who may be filth rich but still lack class. Of course, the fact that I'm familiar with that song probably makes me a little tacky.
Personally, I don't necessarily link chav and "white trash" with socioeconomic status. Instead I think of it more broadly as the taste embodying Weird Al Yankovich's song "Tacky" who may be filth rich but still lack class. Of course, the fact that I'm familiar with that song probably makes me a little tacky.
This message was edited 12/16/2014, 4:45 AM
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