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...the threads containing the rigamarole (sp?) from Eaglebeak and Elaine are http://www.behindthename.com/messages/6112 , http://www.behindthename.com/messages/6225 , and http://www.behindthename.com/messages/6412

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You might get a kick out of Nanaea's responses (not to mention some of the other responses in these threads.)

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Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)