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Cybele: The goddess Kybele in Greek, is derived from "from Kybelon". Kybelon is a mountain in Phrygia, from where Kybele hailed (Lidell-Scott)
Caesar: this was originally a proper name (Julius Caesar) which eventually became synonymous to Emperor and it gave birth to expressions such as Kaiser and Czar. Julius Caesar was delivered by cutting through the walls of his mom's abdomen. The Caesarian section was named thus, not the other way around! According to www.perseus.org, Caesar is derived from caesius/caeruleus meaning "color of skin".
Caesar: this was originally a proper name (Julius Caesar) which eventually became synonymous to Emperor and it gave birth to expressions such as Kaiser and Czar. Julius Caesar was delivered by cutting through the walls of his mom's abdomen. The Caesarian section was named thus, not the other way around! According to www.perseus.org, Caesar is derived from caesius/caeruleus meaning "color of skin".
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1) What Lidell-Scott mentions is a late Phrygian myth (king of Lydia, abandonned daughter on mount Kybelon, fed by wild animals etc. reported by Diadoros ).
However, the "lady of the beasts", seated on a throne with two lions, is much older: a small statue has been found in Çatal-Huyuk, 6000BC. In Anatolia, she was called KUBABA/GUBABA/KUPAPA, though later around 2000BC, and the Ishtar-Dummuzi myth is so close to the Cybele-Attis that coincidence is doubtful. Ishtar (translation of Inana, "lady of heaven") too was sometimes represented standing on a lion. These female divinities (Kubaba, Innana, Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtarot etc.) were all related to fertility, stars and sometimes to war. So you have either a Cybele-Ishtar connection through Phoenicians dealers, with a [unknown]-baalat deformed by the Greeks, or you have a Kubaba-Phrygian connection. Where do you think the name "Kybelon" from the mountain came from?! These avatars of a fertily goddess were worshipped on moutain tops and hills!
2) Caesar did give the name Caesarian, but his name itself was the result of the surgery: caesor, in Latin, means "the ones who cuts", caesura "cut", caesio "cutting, wound" and caesim "by cutting", all of them coming from caedo "to cut, hew, kill, wound, slay, cut off, cut open"...
Caesius means "greenish-blue" (like glaukos in Greek), caeruleus is "sky-blue" (I suppose this is what you meant and not "color of skin". It gave "céruléen" in French) or "sea-blue", but you're either the first or the second since they're are two distinct colors. I'm surprised they did not even mentioned caesaries "long hair". I suppose it's because Caesar's late baldness ;-)
I was not "the other way arounding", I know my Latin.
However, the "lady of the beasts", seated on a throne with two lions, is much older: a small statue has been found in Çatal-Huyuk, 6000BC. In Anatolia, she was called KUBABA/GUBABA/KUPAPA, though later around 2000BC, and the Ishtar-Dummuzi myth is so close to the Cybele-Attis that coincidence is doubtful. Ishtar (translation of Inana, "lady of heaven") too was sometimes represented standing on a lion. These female divinities (Kubaba, Innana, Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtarot etc.) were all related to fertility, stars and sometimes to war. So you have either a Cybele-Ishtar connection through Phoenicians dealers, with a [unknown]-baalat deformed by the Greeks, or you have a Kubaba-Phrygian connection. Where do you think the name "Kybelon" from the mountain came from?! These avatars of a fertily goddess were worshipped on moutain tops and hills!
2) Caesar did give the name Caesarian, but his name itself was the result of the surgery: caesor, in Latin, means "the ones who cuts", caesura "cut", caesio "cutting, wound" and caesim "by cutting", all of them coming from caedo "to cut, hew, kill, wound, slay, cut off, cut open"...
Caesius means "greenish-blue" (like glaukos in Greek), caeruleus is "sky-blue" (I suppose this is what you meant and not "color of skin". It gave "céruléen" in French) or "sea-blue", but you're either the first or the second since they're are two distinct colors. I'm surprised they did not even mentioned caesaries "long hair". I suppose it's because Caesar's late baldness ;-)
I was not "the other way arounding", I know my Latin.
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Glad to hear that you know your Latin anyways. It isn't certain that Julius Caesar was delivered by Cesarean section. Check out:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/cesarean_2.html
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/cesarean_2.html
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