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in reply to a message by Mar
"I do have a problem with naming your child Banana... and their are names that just aren't names (like Table or Cholera)."
How many children have you actually encountered named "Banana"? Or "Cholera"? Just because somebody MIGHT give their child an absurd name does not justify any government's pre-emptive strike in the legislating of naming children.
Furthermore, while you congratulate yourself on not having a problem with "out of the ordinary" names, you neglect the fact that those whom you would blindly empower with making the decisions as to what is or is not "acceptable" might be likely to find a number of those entries on YOUR "personal names list" to be absurd or cacophonous and, therefore, illegal to name your child.
More government "protection" = less FREEDOM for all. Here in the U.S. we already have the goddamn Patriot Act -- we don't need an additional, goddamn Patronymic Act.
As for people getting "offended" over other people's personal names (NAMES, of all things, for crapsake), I have no patience whatsoever for such damn silly people. Political correctness is the security blanket for tiresome, small minds.
-- Nanaea
How many children have you actually encountered named "Banana"? Or "Cholera"? Just because somebody MIGHT give their child an absurd name does not justify any government's pre-emptive strike in the legislating of naming children.
Furthermore, while you congratulate yourself on not having a problem with "out of the ordinary" names, you neglect the fact that those whom you would blindly empower with making the decisions as to what is or is not "acceptable" might be likely to find a number of those entries on YOUR "personal names list" to be absurd or cacophonous and, therefore, illegal to name your child.
More government "protection" = less FREEDOM for all. Here in the U.S. we already have the goddamn Patriot Act -- we don't need an additional, goddamn Patronymic Act.
As for people getting "offended" over other people's personal names (NAMES, of all things, for crapsake), I have no patience whatsoever for such damn silly people. Political correctness is the security blanket for tiresome, small minds.
-- Nanaea
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First of all I have no idea what Patriot Act is. I'm sure you have a good reason to have a problem with it.
Ok, I haven't met a Banana, I have met people with other names that fall in the same category of names that aren't names. As far as I know they all were laughed at because of their names at some point.
I do value freedom, but NOT at the cost of everything. There are more things I value besides freedom. (Just picture a country without laws at all, you'd have all the freedom you want, but I wouldn't want to live their..)
And not being small minded also includes trying to understand other people, see things from their point of view and seeing why something might offend someone else (without calling them small minded before knowing their point of view), in my opinion. After that you can decide whether the fact that they are offended is a result of small mindedness or having values and morals. I'd be offended if a someone named their child God or my future kid was in class with a kid named Thegreatestkidever. I don't consider myself small minded (yes, you can say that small minded people never perceive themselves as small minded, if you like) and I don't think you know me well enough to call me small minded, just because I can possibly get offended over someone else's name.
Ok, I haven't met a Banana, I have met people with other names that fall in the same category of names that aren't names. As far as I know they all were laughed at because of their names at some point.
I do value freedom, but NOT at the cost of everything. There are more things I value besides freedom. (Just picture a country without laws at all, you'd have all the freedom you want, but I wouldn't want to live their..)
And not being small minded also includes trying to understand other people, see things from their point of view and seeing why something might offend someone else (without calling them small minded before knowing their point of view), in my opinion. After that you can decide whether the fact that they are offended is a result of small mindedness or having values and morals. I'd be offended if a someone named their child God or my future kid was in class with a kid named Thegreatestkidever. I don't consider myself small minded (yes, you can say that small minded people never perceive themselves as small minded, if you like) and I don't think you know me well enough to call me small minded, just because I can possibly get offended over someone else's name.
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It's still none o' yer bizznizz
"I'd be offended if a someone named their child God or my future kid was in class with a kid named Thegreatestkidever."
You get offended too easily. Leather up, for crapsake.
And don't be thinking that you or anyone else has a right to make laws restricting other people in their choice of names for their own children.
Because, you have no more right to tell someone he can't name his kid "God" or "Adonai" (a favorite among hippies -- and, yes, that includes Jewish hippies, too), than some theistic neo-pagan has a right to tell you that you can't name your daughter "Artemis" (a name I noticed on your "personal names list") because they feel that would be disrespectful to "The Goddess".
-- Nanaea
"I'd be offended if a someone named their child God or my future kid was in class with a kid named Thegreatestkidever."
You get offended too easily. Leather up, for crapsake.
And don't be thinking that you or anyone else has a right to make laws restricting other people in their choice of names for their own children.
Because, you have no more right to tell someone he can't name his kid "God" or "Adonai" (a favorite among hippies -- and, yes, that includes Jewish hippies, too), than some theistic neo-pagan has a right to tell you that you can't name your daughter "Artemis" (a name I noticed on your "personal names list") because they feel that would be disrespectful to "The Goddess".
-- Nanaea
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Might be, but it's your opinion I get offended too easily, for me it comes with the values I have. You cmay tell me I shouldn't be offended when someone calls their child God, but I will get offended, and I don't mind that I get offended (for the record: I'm not a follower of any traditional religion, but I still see the idea of God as something I respect). I still don't see freedom as the highest of reachable (sp?) goals, Like I said before: I'm all for freedom, but not at the cost of everything.
But maybe we should drop this discussion, because it's sort of turning in an "it IS"-"it's NOT" discussion. Let me shake your hand and thank you for letting me see your point of view.
But maybe we should drop this discussion, because it's sort of turning in an "it IS"-"it's NOT" discussion. Let me shake your hand and thank you for letting me see your point of view.
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*shake* :)
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Mar, that was most commendable
While I agree with Nanaea on the legislation of names, I commend you for the way you've concluded your share of this discussion.
"Let me shake your hand and thank you for letting me see your point of view."
I highly respect that. Very well done.
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
While I agree with Nanaea on the legislation of names, I commend you for the way you've concluded your share of this discussion.
"Let me shake your hand and thank you for letting me see your point of view."
I highly respect that. Very well done.
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
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Mar a true class act :)
I miss the horned girl you used to have in your profile ;)
I miss the horned girl you used to have in your profile ;)
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thank you Lillian
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For what it's worth, I agree with you, Mar. I think the government *does* have a role to play in curbing the worst excesses of bad naming.
People tend to forget that their beliefs about what constitutes a 'right' are cultural, not universal. The fact that some countries take a more restricted approach to naming doesn't mean that the populace of those countries is somehow oppressed; it just means that their culture - of which the government is a part - thinks of naming as something that requires some restriction. In their culture, they don't have the right to name their children whatever they want, and it is the government's business to intervene when necessary.
Riots in Malaysia over unpopular decisions are not uncommon, but I've never heard of them rioting over name restrictions :-D
♦ Chrisell ♦
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
People tend to forget that their beliefs about what constitutes a 'right' are cultural, not universal. The fact that some countries take a more restricted approach to naming doesn't mean that the populace of those countries is somehow oppressed; it just means that their culture - of which the government is a part - thinks of naming as something that requires some restriction. In their culture, they don't have the right to name their children whatever they want, and it is the government's business to intervene when necessary.
Riots in Malaysia over unpopular decisions are not uncommon, but I've never heard of them rioting over name restrictions :-D
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Thanks for sharing your opnion, I was beginning to feel lonely in my point of view here :)
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