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in reply to a message by Getb
"a highly unlikely form for it to take"
that is just YOUR opinion;
Yes, but it is opinion made on the basis of solid knowledge of English to Slavic transliteration.
"the 'no' in 'nobyl' is part of the element 'cherno', so the second element is 'byl' not 'nobyl'"
I recognized that the second element was indeed "byl" (grass) and therefore admited my mistake (just due to probabilities),
Your posts are too unclear to assume that the querying poster would catch that detail. It had to be clarified.
but there are cases that when a suffix and a preffix are joined 'cause they are joined by and identical syllable they are mixed together and the doubled syllable is reduced to just one, or if they are joined by the same vowel the extra vowel dissappears ("de el perro" are joined to make "del perro", which means "of the dog" if you wonder; but it really does not matters, it's just an example for you linguistics' wiz)...
It does happen in some languages, yes. But the two pieces of evidence work together, and when you consider all of the information, your explanation simply doesn't fit
Furthermore, even experts at the end do nothing but guess, it's just that they add more "knowledge" which is in itself a very debatable thing but...
No. Professionals do not "guess". They assemble facts and knowledge which may be both uncertain and debatable, and present them as a "theory" or "estimate". A "guess" is based on no evidence at all, which is highly unprofessional. Furthermore, they don't publish their findings until they're sure - ie, they don't "think aloud" the way you seem to in your posts.
you studied linguistics so... From your point of view... You can't say a word on epistemology to a philosopher so...
Don't put words into peoples' mouths. I have studied linguistics, therefore I am more likely to be right about a purely linguistic topic. I am open to being wrong, if the person challenging my knowledge has convincing evidence. Which you NEVER have, I might add.
I give life without final declarations and leave others to vivisect my posts;
I suppose you mean dissection, since your post is not a live animal.
so say they are wrong and say why if you think you have an appropiate reason, but do not label them as "nonsense"
If your post was clearly understandible and provided evidence which was flawed, I would say that it was wrong. Since it was unintelligible and based on nothing more than your guesses and assumptions, it was nonsense. Literally: non-sense. It made no sense. Understand?!
just because "your degree in linguistics is your license to kill [options]"
I didn't say I had a degree in linguistics. I'm an archaeologist.
... You tell others about being an adult and how to behave and make me remember those little brats who went around bossing the smaller kids saying they (the smaller kids) had to obey them (the brats) if they wanted to be real adults but were they (the brats) themself nothing but a childish mockery...
Hmm - you seem to think that by insulting me you can get out of being corrected. I have been on this site for over a year, and yes, I do share the role of maintaining the standards of expected behaviour from posters. A number of other people have told you the same thing, but you haven't listened to them either. You arrived on this site in the last couple of weeks and immediately began pouring forth reams of bearly readable, inaccurate pop etymology which is both unhelpful and misleading to the people who visit our site looking for answers. This is not acceptable to me or to others (see Magia's post)
You say you are not fuzzy and you are not rude but, look at yourself... behave... You will be treated the way you treat. Bye.
I am not rude. Perhaps you do not understand casual Australian English, if you see my posts as rude. I could understand that.
I think it is rude to join a site and expect to behave however you want, rather than fitting in with the accepted behavioural mores at that site.
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of people asking honest questions on this board and getting in response one of your chaotic, inaccurate, unreadable, unhelpful, obtuse, ambiguous and above all ANNOYING posts.
If you don't like sticking to facts on the Facts Board, then go away.
that is just YOUR opinion;
Yes, but it is opinion made on the basis of solid knowledge of English to Slavic transliteration.
"the 'no' in 'nobyl' is part of the element 'cherno', so the second element is 'byl' not 'nobyl'"
I recognized that the second element was indeed "byl" (grass) and therefore admited my mistake (just due to probabilities),
Your posts are too unclear to assume that the querying poster would catch that detail. It had to be clarified.
but there are cases that when a suffix and a preffix are joined 'cause they are joined by and identical syllable they are mixed together and the doubled syllable is reduced to just one, or if they are joined by the same vowel the extra vowel dissappears ("de el perro" are joined to make "del perro", which means "of the dog" if you wonder; but it really does not matters, it's just an example for you linguistics' wiz)...
It does happen in some languages, yes. But the two pieces of evidence work together, and when you consider all of the information, your explanation simply doesn't fit
Furthermore, even experts at the end do nothing but guess, it's just that they add more "knowledge" which is in itself a very debatable thing but...
No. Professionals do not "guess". They assemble facts and knowledge which may be both uncertain and debatable, and present them as a "theory" or "estimate". A "guess" is based on no evidence at all, which is highly unprofessional. Furthermore, they don't publish their findings until they're sure - ie, they don't "think aloud" the way you seem to in your posts.
you studied linguistics so... From your point of view... You can't say a word on epistemology to a philosopher so...
Don't put words into peoples' mouths. I have studied linguistics, therefore I am more likely to be right about a purely linguistic topic. I am open to being wrong, if the person challenging my knowledge has convincing evidence. Which you NEVER have, I might add.
I give life without final declarations and leave others to vivisect my posts;
I suppose you mean dissection, since your post is not a live animal.
so say they are wrong and say why if you think you have an appropiate reason, but do not label them as "nonsense"
If your post was clearly understandible and provided evidence which was flawed, I would say that it was wrong. Since it was unintelligible and based on nothing more than your guesses and assumptions, it was nonsense. Literally: non-sense. It made no sense. Understand?!
just because "your degree in linguistics is your license to kill [options]"
I didn't say I had a degree in linguistics. I'm an archaeologist.
... You tell others about being an adult and how to behave and make me remember those little brats who went around bossing the smaller kids saying they (the smaller kids) had to obey them (the brats) if they wanted to be real adults but were they (the brats) themself nothing but a childish mockery...
Hmm - you seem to think that by insulting me you can get out of being corrected. I have been on this site for over a year, and yes, I do share the role of maintaining the standards of expected behaviour from posters. A number of other people have told you the same thing, but you haven't listened to them either. You arrived on this site in the last couple of weeks and immediately began pouring forth reams of bearly readable, inaccurate pop etymology which is both unhelpful and misleading to the people who visit our site looking for answers. This is not acceptable to me or to others (see Magia's post)
You say you are not fuzzy and you are not rude but, look at yourself... behave... You will be treated the way you treat. Bye.
I am not rude. Perhaps you do not understand casual Australian English, if you see my posts as rude. I could understand that.
I think it is rude to join a site and expect to behave however you want, rather than fitting in with the accepted behavioural mores at that site.
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of people asking honest questions on this board and getting in response one of your chaotic, inaccurate, unreadable, unhelpful, obtuse, ambiguous and above all ANNOYING posts.
If you don't like sticking to facts on the Facts Board, then go away.
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could you please add in this page just what preffix and suffix mean?
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This is not a book for which I'm being paid for, so if I dare to think aloud is because I'm here to try to help others in the way I've been myself helped... ok?
"I give life without final declarations and leave others to vivisect my posts;
I suppose you mean dissection, since your post is not a live animal"
Yes, that's what I meant, but I used a metaphore... you know what that is? don't ya? vivisect has it's own cogante in Spanish so I do know what it means.
I wont bore me more about your "understanding" of what "non-sense" and "blind guessing" is.
"Hmm - you seem to think that by insulting me you can get out of being corrected. I have been on this site for over a year"
Nope, I do not use such methods as the "ad hominem" falacy, I was just telling you to think about the way you have treated me, 'cause you haev insulted first... And I've been here more than that... Just recently I began using my name because just recently I felt I was ready to hold my position on my name and earn it a reputation... But I get to find your quarrelsome manners and my reputation gets onto the court immediatly...
"I do share the role of maintaining the standards of expected behaviour from posters."
That's what I mean about "bossing around", then you call other people "trolls"
"A number of other people have told you the same thing" Only you and Magia have directed your comments against me.
"rather than fitting in with the accepted behavioural mores at that site."
Read yourself, that is a nazi speaking... My behaviour is logical, nothing more and nothing less... Tradition was made for people who wanted to be free of the duty of thinking logically about what is right or wrong.
"Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of people asking honest questions on this board and getting in response one of your chaotic, inaccurate, unreadable, unhelpful, obtuse, ambiguous and above all ANNOYING posts."
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of your bossy behaviour likewise, and of your RUDE AND ANNOYING yelling and annoyment.
"I give life without final declarations and leave others to vivisect my posts;
I suppose you mean dissection, since your post is not a live animal"
Yes, that's what I meant, but I used a metaphore... you know what that is? don't ya? vivisect has it's own cogante in Spanish so I do know what it means.
I wont bore me more about your "understanding" of what "non-sense" and "blind guessing" is.
"Hmm - you seem to think that by insulting me you can get out of being corrected. I have been on this site for over a year"
Nope, I do not use such methods as the "ad hominem" falacy, I was just telling you to think about the way you have treated me, 'cause you haev insulted first... And I've been here more than that... Just recently I began using my name because just recently I felt I was ready to hold my position on my name and earn it a reputation... But I get to find your quarrelsome manners and my reputation gets onto the court immediatly...
"I do share the role of maintaining the standards of expected behaviour from posters."
That's what I mean about "bossing around", then you call other people "trolls"
"A number of other people have told you the same thing" Only you and Magia have directed your comments against me.
"rather than fitting in with the accepted behavioural mores at that site."
Read yourself, that is a nazi speaking... My behaviour is logical, nothing more and nothing less... Tradition was made for people who wanted to be free of the duty of thinking logically about what is right or wrong.
"Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of people asking honest questions on this board and getting in response one of your chaotic, inaccurate, unreadable, unhelpful, obtuse, ambiguous and above all ANNOYING posts."
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of your bossy behaviour likewise, and of your RUDE AND ANNOYING yelling and annoyment.
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I am sorry you have seen my attempts to communicate with you as "quarrelsome" and "bossy".
I see your behaviour as "quarrelsome" and "difficult", so don't think you're the unqualified good guy.
I have never called you a troll and I do not think you are one.
I have asked you to change your posting method because I am concerned that people might get confusing or inaccurate information from your posts.
I have also tried to point out that I would like to be able to access your etymological knowledge, but that I can't understand you when you write the way you do.
Rather than responding positively to my posts, you have a) become offended and b) ignored my advice. This, I admit, has led me to phrase my attempts in increasingly strong language, which is why we find ourselves arguing today.
This board is where we discuss the meanings, history, popularity, usage etc of names. But people are expected to have facts ready and waiting to support their opinions. I appreciate that you often do have facts that you are trying to share, but they get lost in the fanciful speculation and general mess of your posts.
Now do you understand where I'm coming from? If not, tell me that you don't understand, don't throw childish insults around.
I really want to be able to have good, friendly, factual discussions with you - it sounds like you have a lot of etymological knowledge to share. But you won't let me, you just keep posting the same way so that I can't understand you or communicate with you. Of course I'm upset and frustrated!
Please, if you reply to this, reply to what I say, not to your own ideas.
I see your behaviour as "quarrelsome" and "difficult", so don't think you're the unqualified good guy.
I have never called you a troll and I do not think you are one.
I have asked you to change your posting method because I am concerned that people might get confusing or inaccurate information from your posts.
I have also tried to point out that I would like to be able to access your etymological knowledge, but that I can't understand you when you write the way you do.
Rather than responding positively to my posts, you have a) become offended and b) ignored my advice. This, I admit, has led me to phrase my attempts in increasingly strong language, which is why we find ourselves arguing today.
This board is where we discuss the meanings, history, popularity, usage etc of names. But people are expected to have facts ready and waiting to support their opinions. I appreciate that you often do have facts that you are trying to share, but they get lost in the fanciful speculation and general mess of your posts.
Now do you understand where I'm coming from? If not, tell me that you don't understand, don't throw childish insults around.
I really want to be able to have good, friendly, factual discussions with you - it sounds like you have a lot of etymological knowledge to share. But you won't let me, you just keep posting the same way so that I can't understand you or communicate with you. Of course I'm upset and frustrated!
Please, if you reply to this, reply to what I say, not to your own ideas.
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Mutual effort
Well... Now I see your point... But see my point; I express myself, as best as I can, with a language I'm getting rusty with, which does work in the "behind the surname" forum without getting these answers about my ambiguity... The more I ponder on my proposals the more hard they seem to get for understanding... So I will try just giving the facts I'm relying upon and I will let the logical linking for you, then I will expect your answer, be it a "that's a good possibily [+/- but...]" or a "it's not pertinent because...". It's just that I find disagreeable something like "it's nonsense" when I do know that "I have assembled facts and knowledge [which may be both uncertain and debatable]" that I've earned over the years of being a lover of etymology (and mythology, and literature, and etc.)... Now do you udnerstand me? My problem is not being told I'm wrong, it's the way I'm told I'm wrong... That's all... Now... Both must give our own effort... Ok?
Well... Now I see your point... But see my point; I express myself, as best as I can, with a language I'm getting rusty with, which does work in the "behind the surname" forum without getting these answers about my ambiguity... The more I ponder on my proposals the more hard they seem to get for understanding... So I will try just giving the facts I'm relying upon and I will let the logical linking for you, then I will expect your answer, be it a "that's a good possibily [+/- but...]" or a "it's not pertinent because...". It's just that I find disagreeable something like "it's nonsense" when I do know that "I have assembled facts and knowledge [which may be both uncertain and debatable]" that I've earned over the years of being a lover of etymology (and mythology, and literature, and etc.)... Now do you udnerstand me? My problem is not being told I'm wrong, it's the way I'm told I'm wrong... That's all... Now... Both must give our own effort... Ok?
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Ok, I think we're on the same page now :-)
Sorry about the "nonsense" thing - I was getting frustrated, and I'm doing an annoying job at work, too, which didn't help my mood.
Sorry about the "nonsense" thing - I was getting frustrated, and I'm doing an annoying job at work, too, which didn't help my mood.
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:D "Hablando se entiende la gente" claims a Spanish Saying :D
I will let Magia make the translation, hope things will go on better from now on... "borron y cuenta nueva" (again, the honour is for Magia)... Bye.
I will let Magia make the translation, hope things will go on better from now on... "borron y cuenta nueva" (again, the honour is for Magia)... Bye.
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My pleasure...
Let's make a fresh start , then :o)
Let's make a fresh start , then :o)
This message was edited 11/3/2004, 6:57 AM
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Lol . . .
I babelfished it (www.altavista.com/babelfish/) and it gave me a very garbled answer! But I got the gist of it, anyway.
I babelfished it (www.altavista.com/babelfish/) and it gave me a very garbled answer! But I got the gist of it, anyway.
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Chrisell, please let me know when you are done "vivisecting" these posts...
HM hm HM hm HM hm... HA ha :ox (trying hard not to make to much noise...)
Ps.: GTB... just a friendly scam...I told you to watch it...
HM hm HM hm HM hm... HA ha :ox (trying hard not to make to much noise...)
Ps.: GTB... just a friendly scam...I told you to watch it...
This message was edited 11/2/2004, 8:18 PM
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:-D I couldn't resist that one . . .
. . . although I shouldn't have, it was a shot "below the belt" (pun intended) as his English isn't perfect.
I'm done now. I really hoped that he'd clean up his posts and make them understandable contributions to the BtN knowledge base, but it looks like I'm only going to get growled at for trying to help, so his knowledge will have to stay inaccessible. I'll ignore him from now on. *sigh*
. . . although I shouldn't have, it was a shot "below the belt" (pun intended) as his English isn't perfect.
I'm done now. I really hoped that he'd clean up his posts and make them understandable contributions to the BtN knowledge base, but it looks like I'm only going to get growled at for trying to help, so his knowledge will have to stay inaccessible. I'll ignore him from now on. *sigh*
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You guys make me laugh :oD
No hard feelings.
No hard feelings.
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