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in reply to a message by Mar
I have, admittedly only once, encountered Cinnamon as a surname. So while it might not be acceptable in the Netherlands (or is it only Dutch surnames that are blacklisted?) it would be pretty production-line in the USA, along with all the Taylors and Camerons etc.
The time I saw it was on a list of successful examination candidates. The full name of the child was Grant David Cinnamon, and in my head I instantly heard: " ... but don't let him near the ginger" ... wonder if there's a rule in Malaysia that names can't be sentences!
The time I saw it was on a list of successful examination candidates. The full name of the child was Grant David Cinnamon, and in my head I instantly heard: " ... but don't let him near the ginger" ... wonder if there's a rule in Malaysia that names can't be sentences!
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It's very common Dutch names that are banned. A Dutch surname that is hardly used is ok, and surnames from other countries are ok too (this is all as far as I know). So Jansen and DeVries are certainly not accepted.
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Dutch rules about names
Wat zijn de regels voor de keuze van de voornaam voor kinderen door de ouders?
Als ouders bent u in principe vrij om de voornaam van uw kind te kiezen.
Beperkingen
Er gelden twee beperkingen. Ten eerste mag de naam geen ongepaste naam zijn. Een ongepaste naam is bijvoorbeeld:
een naam die in strijd is met de geldende normen;
een spottende naam, waarvan de drager in zijn leven alleen maar last kan hebben;
een naam die bestaat uit een absurd groot aantal namen.
Ten tweede mag de voornaam geen bestaande achternaam zijn. Een bestaande achternaam is wel mogelijk als dit ook een gebruikelijke voornaam is. Een gebruikelijke voornaam is een naam die min of meer algemeen gebruikelijk is.
translation (may be bad english, because I'm translating as littarally as possible):
What are the rules for the choice of the firstname for children by the parents?
As parent you are in principle free to choose the firstname of your child.
Restictions:
There are two restrictions. First the name is not allowed to be inappropriate. An inappropriate name is for example:
A name that is against the 'current' norms; (Not sure how to translate that better)
A mocking name, by which the bearer will only be bothered in his life;
a name that is made up of an absurd big number of names.
Second, the firstname can't be an existing lastname. An existing lastname is possible if it is also a usual first name. A usual first name is a name that is more or less commonly used.
(a note from me: with this they mean for example: Thomas, it's a lastname, but also a usual first name)
Wat zijn de regels voor de keuze van de voornaam voor kinderen door de ouders?
Als ouders bent u in principe vrij om de voornaam van uw kind te kiezen.
Beperkingen
Er gelden twee beperkingen. Ten eerste mag de naam geen ongepaste naam zijn. Een ongepaste naam is bijvoorbeeld:
een naam die in strijd is met de geldende normen;
een spottende naam, waarvan de drager in zijn leven alleen maar last kan hebben;
een naam die bestaat uit een absurd groot aantal namen.
Ten tweede mag de voornaam geen bestaande achternaam zijn. Een bestaande achternaam is wel mogelijk als dit ook een gebruikelijke voornaam is. Een gebruikelijke voornaam is een naam die min of meer algemeen gebruikelijk is.
translation (may be bad english, because I'm translating as littarally as possible):
What are the rules for the choice of the firstname for children by the parents?
As parent you are in principle free to choose the firstname of your child.
Restictions:
There are two restrictions. First the name is not allowed to be inappropriate. An inappropriate name is for example:
A name that is against the 'current' norms; (Not sure how to translate that better)
A mocking name, by which the bearer will only be bothered in his life;
a name that is made up of an absurd big number of names.
Second, the firstname can't be an existing lastname. An existing lastname is possible if it is also a usual first name. A usual first name is a name that is more or less commonly used.
(a note from me: with this they mean for example: Thomas, it's a lastname, but also a usual first name)
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I can read Dutch actually - but sometimes a black hole opens up. And your translation is very clear.
I suppose that means that you can't use my all-time favourite surname as a first name: VerLoren van Themaat. Always looks like: Lost the subject ... and would count as cruel and unusual, but always gives me a happy moment; especially as there's a large and distinguished family with the name where I live who are, of all things, lawyers!
And the absurdly long chain of names? There was a proud father somewhere in South America, no doubt Brazil or Argentina, who had a child on the day his team won the World Cup; fortunately or unfortunately it was a daughter whom he named Maria + the given names of the entire team. Twelve names, for one small child. Whooh!
All the best from South Africa
I suppose that means that you can't use my all-time favourite surname as a first name: VerLoren van Themaat. Always looks like: Lost the subject ... and would count as cruel and unusual, but always gives me a happy moment; especially as there's a large and distinguished family with the name where I live who are, of all things, lawyers!
And the absurdly long chain of names? There was a proud father somewhere in South America, no doubt Brazil or Argentina, who had a child on the day his team won the World Cup; fortunately or unfortunately it was a daughter whom he named Maria + the given names of the entire team. Twelve names, for one small child. Whooh!
All the best from South Africa
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I thought you could read Dutch, that's why I didn't only posted the translation. And I sure hope that girl likes football (but I'm sure her daddy will make sure that she does :)
btw LOL at VerLoren van Themaat! (and yes calling your child VerLoren alone is sort of strange to say the least (because it means "Lost" for non-Dutch speakers))
btw LOL at VerLoren van Themaat! (and yes calling your child VerLoren alone is sort of strange to say the least (because it means "Lost" for non-Dutch speakers))
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