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[Opinions] Chloe'
Hello. My name is Chloe', with an accent mark. however, it is STILL pronounced as CHLOE. How many other people besides me, my mama, my dad, and my 3 brothers and 4 sisters, that KLO-AY is stupid?? It is ridiculus to ruin a perfect name and spelling with a stupid pronunciation, even if my nam is Chloe' by a huge accident.
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I don't feel that the klo-ay prn is stupid. I honostly prefer klo-ay to klo-ee, but keep in mind that this is just my opinion.People mispronouncing your name is something you will have to get used to. I don't understand why people aren't getting that you're name is pronounced klo-ee. I mean, they probably will mispronounce your name before they get used to it.I know a girl who's name is Syrah. It's pronounced like Sarah. People often, often say "SIE-ruh" or "SEE-ruh". When people mis-say her name she just says something along the lines of "It's pronounced Sarah, thank you".I find it absurd that even after you corrected them multiple times on the correct pronounciation of your name, they couldn't get it and resorted to your middle name. When this happens, maybe you could say "Could you please call me by my first name, Chloe?" and emphasize that Chloe is pronounce klo-ee.
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I don't think there is a legitimate pronounciation if the accent is next to the e. However, I found your comment on Chloè in the comments section very ignorant. Are you aware how horrendously ethnocentric you come off when you call another language stupid? You've got a lot of growing up to do and i hope you realize how small you sound.
sorry for errors. Nursing at keyboard.
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Oh yeah, look at some other comments for the name Chloe, with out the accent mark. Scream Clown? Stupid? Old-fashioned? Now, I know I was/am ignorant, but are these not ignorant also?
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Yeah, it was/is ignorant, but I am getting very annoyed with many people. What does 'ethnocentric' mean? If it means what I think it means, it means I am slamming the French. I don't mena to, but I don't get why we can't pronounce names all the same. (That probably sound very stupid, but it's waht I'm feeling.)
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That not only sounds stupid, it IS stupid, and doesn't become less so because "that's how you feel". There are hundreds of languages in the world, and they're not going all disappear in favour of English just because you're unhappy with how your name is pronounced.
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Eth·no·cen·tric: characterized by or based on the attitude that one's own group is superior.That's not the way language works, sorry. we can't change thousands of years of history because it's more convenient for you.By the way, I was mad is not a defense for ignorance.
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I KNOW 'I was mad' isn't a defense! I'm only saying I was, and I said what I felt. Surey the people on this site should know all about doing that hmm? And "...because it's more convenietn for you." That stings. I'm not trying to change history, that would be hard, adn it would clearly change everything. I'm just upset. Haven't you ever blown your lid at some one? Like a brother or sister? I knwo you guys/girls aren't my brothers and sisters -trust me, my sibs are MUCH more annoying some times than half the people on this thread alone put together! And besides, I'm not the only one who's had this problem. There are som other kids in my grade who's teachers can't comprehend somthing as simple as name.
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Just throwing this out thereI know I've already commented once, but I just wanted to add this. My name is Joanie (JO-nee) but everyone calls me Joan-ay (hence my screen name). Everyone just started calling me Joan-ay and I just went with. So, that's sort of similar to your situation, except I love being called Joan-ay.I have a question though, you mentioned earlier that people sometimes call you Madisyn. Do you like being called Madisyn? If so, you could just tell them to call your Madisyn in the first place, maybe that will avoid all confusion in the first place :)

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I don't really LIKE being a 'Madisyn', but it's okay. I've been a Chloe' for 13 years, I think it would be hard to change you know? And don't worry abou throwing anything out here. Alot of people are throwing things. Your stuff isn't bad and degrading as theirs is.
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Yeah, I could see how that would get annoying for your name not to get pronounce right all the time. Some people just take their first guess, the French way, and do not ask you if that is right and some do not listen when you say your name is pronounce chlo-ee. A few people I know have the problem and eventually they reliazed that you can try to correct some one for a few times, but by then if that person still keeps ignoring your corrections, the people I know just say whatever. Your friends and family know to call you Chloe so only your aqquintances will sometimes call you Chlo-ay so you just have to deal through that. jj21jj
P.S. Wow, you have a lot of brothers and sisters!
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Thank-you!! Some one besides Dot FINALLY gets it!! (Not that you've been guessing randomly.) I've gotten to where it almost makes me cry sometimes. (No one comment on that please unless your user name is either Dot or jj21jj). I mean, I've told these people over and over. They should know by now. I mean, sure, the first couple of weeks or maybe even months of the school year (from August to September where I live) is understandable. but it's February in the nmae of Tom Sawyer!! Thanks for your help.-Chloe'And yeah, but I like having a big family. It's cool. you've always got some one to talk to...and some one to always get on your nerves!!
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I wish you'd realize that people who haven't responded aren't evil people.
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I didn't mean that!!I didn't mean that!! I meant, the people who HAVE responded. Sorry. I didn't mean you or anyone else who hasn't responded are "evil". I never said any one here WAS evil. So don't rearrange my words to make me sound like an SOS. (Spawn of Satan).
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Every time you open your mouth, you put your foot in it. It's pretty clear (as clear as it can be from your often very confusing and rambling posts) that all you really wanted was somebody to say "Oh, poor thing! How awful it must be for you to have all these ignorant people mispronouncing your name and making you cry!" and when people don't do so, possibly because they couldn't make heads or tails or your posts, you lash out and tell them off. That makes you look very immature.And by the way, there was no need to get all in a knot about my asking who Carson was. You just threw that name out with no identifying information whatever: "Carson says..." How on earth is anybody to know Carson is your sister?
You need to read those rules and start folling them. And before you ask, yes, we do have rules and we are all expected to abide by them. Your behavior is comign rather near to trollish, and that won't do at all.
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I'm not a fake, so I'm not trollish. And, I really didn't think it mattered who Carson or any of my other family is. No, I DID NOT want pity. I wanted some one to give useful adn helpful advice, but other than a few people, I haven't gotten any. Now, I'd rather start over and forget about all of this. (Although, I doubt that will gom over well with you and a few others). I just wanted help.
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Being a troll isn't the same as being a fake...You're being very truthfull, but you're coming very close to trolling. Trolling is when you start posts that make so sense, sound whiny, and/or cause fights on the boards. It's also considered trolling when you're blatantly rude. Starla doesn't deserve to be insulted for what she said.
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Sorry, but did you ever think that I'M being insulted too? I don't THINK so!

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I'm not a fake, so I'm not trollish. And, I really didn't think it mattered who Carson or any of my other family is. No, I DID NOT want pity. I wanted some one to give useful adn helpful advice, but other than a few people, I haven't gotten any. Now, I'd rather start over and forget about all of this. (Although, I doubt that will gom over well with you and a few others). I just wanted help.
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Depending on the context, I could pronounce it either way. Having learnt French, my first instinct would be to pronounce it klo-AY, but I would probably say KLO-ee anyway, since it's far more common in English-speaking countries. if I'd only seen it written down, I'd probably ask you something about your background, like if you had a French parent, or flat out ask you whether it's prn klo-AY.
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Nope. No French parents. What does prn mean?
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Pronounced.
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Thanks. I'm not so great with netspeak!
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Chloé is the French form of Chloe and is pronounced klo-AY. É makes an 'ay' sound, not an 'ee' sound. If I saw the name Chloé written down, I would absolutly assume it was klo-AY. If corrected, I would of course only say KLO-ee. But klo-AY is not at all a stupid pronounciation, it is the correct one. Why did your parents choose to spell your name Chloé instead of Chloe?
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They didn't choose to. My mom was filling out my birth certificate and my older sister came into her hospital room adn jumped up on the bed, adn her pen made a stray mark. My mom didn't notice it until she got the printed version of my birth certificate. They just thought, "Oh well, we'll leave it Chloe'. It's pretty, adn I highly doubt many people are going to take the time to stop and try to pronounce it Klo-ay." So I've always been Chloe.
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Ah, I see. I'm surprised she didn't think people would pronounce it Chloé, but that might just be because I'm a French student and a name nerd, which affects how I look at the situation.I'm confused now, though- is it (on the birth certificate) Chloe' or Chloé? I know ' is sometimes used to stand in when a keyboard won't make accent marks, and since everyone else assumed you meant Chloé, I did too.
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Chloe'. The accent mark isn't directly OVER the e. It's beside it. Thanks for not being very rude about this and all. I just want help with this. My parents have tried, but teachers are so darn ignoreant! (No offense if you're a teacher.)
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Naw, I'm a student. When roll is called and they say "klo-AY", and you reply, "Actually, it's KLO-ee", do they not note it?I'm not sure exactly what the rules are with legal names, but you can probably write Chloe instead of Chloe' on your registration forms, and avoid the whole issue. You could also stop signing your name Chloe', and probably legally change it to remove to accent. It's a bit of a hassle, but a lot less of a hassle than having your name misspelled, which sounds like it really bothers you.
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When you say note it, (please keep your mouth shut RoxStar) you mean they write it down right? Some do, some don't. Thanks. I'll talk to my mom about changing the way I write my name.Thanks. You're not like soem of the other people on this board that are being slightly rude and degrading. Thank-you.
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No one on here is being degrading.Everyone has been giving you very informed opinions and you are the one being rude:
"keep your mouth shut RoxStar."If you want people to give you their honest opinions, you have to learn to deal with it when they disagree with you.

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She said I was being silly for asking a question I honestly didn't know the answer to!( or is that supposed to be too??). Maybe YOU don't think their comments (other than Dot, jj21jj and others, yourself included on most of your comments) are degrading, but to the person on the receiving end they are. And RoxStar, I'm sorry. But your commetn hurt me. But still, I had no right no harp and knock you down. I opologize, and hope you will forgive me.
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It's no big deal.Everyone on this board has very strong opinions and nothing is meant to target anyone personally. Most people here are incredibly knowledgeable and passionate about names so this is a great place to be--just learn to not take things anyone says as direct attacks.
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Okay, done, deal. Now can some one besides DOT and jj21jj tell me what to say to these people?? THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MESSAGE!
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I wanted to know if you think it's stupid for people to ASSUME my name is pronounced KLO-AY with out asking me first. Not introducing. I would have done that in the lounge thing. Sorry if I ticked you off. I'm not saying I did, but IF I did. Sorry.
[/quote]Please don't change the point of your message and expect us to read your mind.
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Er... What was your question? Are you introducing yourself to us or did you want us to comment on your name?
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I wanted to know if you think it's stupid for people to ASSUME my name is pronounced KLO-AY with out asking me first. Not introducing. I would have done that in the lounge thing. Sorry if I ticked you off. I'm not saying I did, but IF I did. Sorry.
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Oh, not at allI just didn't want to go throwing out my opinion without being asked. ;-)Well, I just look at it from this angle: My cousin's name is Hydryin. How do you pronounce that? I mean, it's sitting there on the computer screen staring up at you, and I haven't told you what it's supposed to sound like. Try it, and tell me what you come up with.
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Um...He-dryn? But that's not a common name now days, (no offense.) Chloe' is. Poeple should know how to pronounce it.
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Good guess!(and please bear with me, here. This is probably going to get kind of random)It's actually the name Hadrian with a couple of funky 'y's in there that really drive me insane. The thing is, when someone sees a 'y', they will immediately associate it with a sound. You associate it with an 'e' sound. That's the way most English speakers say it.Our language is influenced by other languages. French being one of them. Most people, whether they speak French or not (I don't; I speak German), will associate the French letter 'é' with our 'a' sound. Take the common word "éclair". That's AY-clair. Millions of people know that word, so they see Chloé and say, "Aha! It's French, and I know how to say it!"I guess your question was if klo-AY was dumb sounding, too. I tend to think of it as a totally separate name and it's pretty in its own right.As for Chloe itself, I've been known to lapse into the original (Greek?) form and pronounce it KLO. Oops! *looks around guiltily*I've no idea whether that all made sense to you or not, or if I even explained what I was trying to say.
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'eclaire is aclaire? I've always said ee-claire. Oh well.Greek and Biblical. 1 Corinthians 1:11. That's where my name is.I got it....sort of....I think. You're saying that people take their first guess and use that to say my name?
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I have to agree.Chloé is always CORRECTLY pronounced "Klo-AY". If you ever get any close to France or a French speaking country, you better be prepared to be called "Klo-AY" all the time, as this is the original French pronunciation.If it really bothers you so much, you should just correct the spelling mistake and stop using the accent. It shouldn't even be a problem to legally change the name, as it was just a mistake and it bothers you in your daily live.You cannot use Chloé and insist on the English pronunciation, that is quite ignorant and there is no way people can know and they will always continue to say "klo-AY" (and they are right).Personally I prefer the French pronuncation to the English one, I think "Klo-ee" is way too cutesy and reminds me of an "eek" kind of sound.
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Actually, not trying to be arguementative, but I CAN insist on using Chloe. And since I do not live anywhere near France, I think I can continue to be ticked. Thanks for your opinion. I don't think people are right or wrong in pronouncing a name. It is the fact that I've TOLD them it is Chlo-ee. Not Klo-ay. Yet they continue to call me this anyway.
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I agree with Murasaki, accents aren't there for decoration, they change the pronunciation of a name or word. Chloe without the accent is pronounced CLO-ee, and Chloe with an accent is KLO-ay. You can't blame people for assuming your name is pronounced KLO-ay if it has an accent. If I saw Chloe with an accent I would assume it's KLO-ay.On a lighter note, I think Chloe (CLO-ee) is a very pretty name. I used to have a very good friend named Chloe Cheyenne.

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KLO-AY is definitely not stupid, because it's the normal French pronounciation of Chloé, which is the French version of Chloe, and not some ridiculous ruining of the name, as you seem to imagine. Accents are there for a reason, not just to look pretty.
If there's any stupidity involved, it's in putting an accent that alters the pronounciation and then expect the name to be pronounced as if the accent wasn't there.If it bothers you so much, I suggest you sign your name without the accent and possibly see if legally you can get rid of it from your official name.
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I LIKE my name. But just not the way people seem to think it's automatically KLO-AY. Not Chloe' like it is. And how do you get the accent marks and little dots over the e's??
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I have an European computer, which has a different keyboard, which has é and è. The thing is people "seem to think" Chloé is KLO-AY because that's what it is, if you put the accent. I wasn't suggesting you change your name entirely, just ditch the accent so that people will pronounce it KLO-EE, if you prefer that. The accent isn't some kind of decoration, you can't expect the whole universe to go along with your own warped notion of spelling and pronounciation rules and then whine about how stupid they are.
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"...warped notion of spelling and pronounciation rules and then whine about how stupid they are."???? WARPED notion??? How would you like it if soem one called you something you weren't even after you've told them not to?? I'm nto asking to be scolded and lectured here. I am asking a simple question:
What. Should. I. Tell. Them?
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I don't why I'm bothering to answer again, I should know better. Anyway, you're the one who started saying that what's the legitimate foreign pronounciation of a name is stupid and ignorant, it's normal that if people see the name with an accent they're going to assume it's pronounced the French way. Otherwise, I find it hard to believe that people would call you KLO-AY if you've introduced yourself as KLo-EE or corrected them. But as what to tell people if they mispronounce your name, I'd suggest saying "Actually, it's KLO-EE, in spite of the accent", with a smile, and not reacting as if they they had mortally insulted you.Incidentally, your story about your sister jumping on the bed and causing a smudge that became the accent also sounds like a tall tale.
Moreover, as how I would like it if people mispronounced my name even if I've corrected them, that has happened frequently. My name is Francesca, but a lot of people say "Franzesca" or "Franzisca" even if I've corrected them, either because they can't wrap their tongues round the "che" sound or just out of carelessness. I find it mildly annoying but I don't consider it some kind of atrocious offense, and it's certainly never reduced me to tears.You say you want helpful suggestions, and not pity, but you come across as just wanting to whine and get attention, since you've been ignoring the suggestion that all us mean people have been giving you, that is, to get rid of the accent.
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How about you stop writing the accent on registration papers?Then no one can call you that. It's not supposed to be there anyway. And while you're at it, get your name fixed. Legally. I had a friend, Alex, whose birth cert. said "Axelandra" by accident. And you know what? No one ever called her Axel, because she didn't put it on her registration forms. And her mother recently legally changed it. If it bothers you so much, find a solution and stop whining.Unless you're making this whole thing up?
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I'm not whining!!! I am asking you hollow, narrow minded people for help!!! Thanks. And, that had to be embarrasing for her name to be "Axelandra". I can't write my name with the accent mark on registration papers because, take TCAP for example, when they scan my score card, the computer can't comprehend it. BUT, on my actual papers, I go by Chloe'. And you people STILL haven't answered my dang quesion!!! My question is THIS:What do I tell the people who KNOW my name isn't Klo-ay?
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There's no need to call people names. Stop trolling, and stop whining.I would just let those people call you Klo-ay if they want to. Who cares? I have an unusual surname, and some people say it incorrectly to be funny. I don't mind it, and if you do, I honestly think you're being too dramatic and overly sensitive.
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QuestionWhy would you expect someone to help you after you just generalized them as "hollow, narrow-minded people"? And even if we are "hollow, narrow-minded people," then why are you asking us for advice?
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I didn't mean that either. I was angry. Let me try to make it so you know where I'm coming from (I'm going to use your user name):Some one calls you Irial. (eer-eal) you tell them it's Ariel. They continue to call you Irial. You keep correcting them. Finally they call you by your middle name (whatever it may be) and you tell them not to. They continue to do so. NOW, do you understand what I'm getting at? I don't mean to be rude, but if you're going to slam, degrade, or harp on me, DON'T COMMENT PLEASE.
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I wasn't degrading you. I asked you two simple questions that you refused to answer.Yeah, I would be annoyed if they did that, but I wouldn't go ask people for advice how to tell them to not mispronounce my name. Pretty much all you need to say is, "Could you pronounce my name air-ee-uhl please?" I don't understand how you need to advice for that. Sometimes people choose to be irritating, or are just easily confused, so try to accept the fact that people won't always say your name correctly, and that's fine.[quote]
NOW, do you understand what I'm getting at? I don't mean to be rude, but if you're going to slam, degrade, or harp on me, DON'T COMMENT PLEASE.
[/quote]It's irritating how you are yelling at me for degrading you. I just asked you two simple questions, and now you're saying I'm rude. Did you ever consider that you could be being rude to me? I think that some people may be being more rude to you than they need to be, but I also think the same of you.
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Tell them, "I understand that Chloé is the French form and is pronounced klo-AY, but you need to understand that my name is pronounced KLO-ee. Please." If you've explained clearly how your name is pronounced, it sounds like they're trying to be obnoxious and/or think you don't understand the rules of spelling and want to correct you. Tell them you do understand what an accent mark means, but you also didn't name yourself, and you don't need to be corrected on the pronounciation of your own name.Try that, anyway. I am having a lot of trouble understanding why people who you're sure you've clearly explained your name to continue to say klo-AY.
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I'll try it. Thanks. Yeah, I have trouble figuring it out too. The only people that get my name right are my mom, dad, brothers and sisters, and best friends and other family. Some people in my family call me "Klo-ay" just to tease me. But that's okay. I knwo they're joking, and KNOW how my name is pronounced, so that doesn't bother me.
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Why don't you just change your name?
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Change my name? Change Chloe'??? When you say CHANGE you meen, go to court and legally change it right?
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Yea, change it to Chloe, with-out an accent mark.
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umm...They didn't ruin your name. Chloé is the French form of Chloe. It's still pronounced the same. Maybe that will make you feel better about your name... because it is legitimate.

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I didn't SAY they ruined my name. I'm only saying that people have called me that and I tell tehm time and time again that it is CHLOE. But they keep saying, "Klo-ay, please go to the office and get some copies of this" or "Klo-ay, please answer number 5." Then they just start calling me Madisyn. It's annoying. Iff the nurse hadn't have made that mistake with my birth certificate, everything would be fine.
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Nurses don't write birth certificates! S xx
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Ugh. Don't you know what I mean? They have to put your information into some kind of computer, and she made a mistake with my name. I'm sorry, but I'm 13, I don't know all this huge high tech/ government stuff. My mom told me what happened, adn I got confused, but she's not home so I can't ask her. Sorry for the mix up.
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Why do they call you Madisyn?Random much?
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Random? As in "You just threw that in there"? Or random as in "A name they picked because they like it?" They call me Madisyn, because my name is Chloe' Madisyn McSwain. They get tired of me telling them not to call me KLO-AY, so they give up on Chloe' and call me Madisyn. No matter hoo muchI ask them not to. Carson says not to let it bother me, but it does. if I told them my name, why can't they get it right?
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knock it off, ChloeYou're just being silly here, and yes, random. Your original posting was very randoma dn garbled, and you throwing in the "fact" that the nurse made a mistake and gave you an accent mark, and the "fact" that everybody always mispronounces your name (which I find very hard to believe, as I've never heard the name said any other way except Klo-ee) and then you throw in that Madisyn, as if everybody automatically knows your middle name.If you want to post on this board, you need to read the rules, which you can find a link to at the top of the page. Silly, badly-written or pointless posts are not appreciated.And who is Carson, anyway? Another random trendy name you dropped into the mix?
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Silly? I really didn't know which one she meant. Honest! Some people joke around on here and I wasn't sure what she meant. Sorry for asking a question. I forgot that wasn't allowed. Carson isn't some one I just made up. She's my sister. I was telling you what she has told me, and I don't see why it matters. While I'm at it, you want me to just list my whole family for you? Not every one knows Madisyn is my middle name. I am talking about my teachers at school. they know my middle name and begin to call me it. And when I meet other people, if I keep correcting them, then they ASK what my middle name is. I just want to know what to say to these people. If you're going to repremind me, don't comment. I don't have the time. I'm not saying I wo't comment on your comments, if you make me mad enough. I'm only saying that I wish you wouldn't.
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