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HelpIs Ayn too connected to Rand?
I kinda like it but don't like her. I'd pronounce it like Anne. Thoughts?
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I like Ayna more. I think it is. I've only ever heard it as ine.
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I don’t know the connection.
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Just use Anne
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Yes, and it's also not exactly the most beautiful name. It sounds like AYN as far as I know. Spelling Anne as Ayn would just cause endless confusion and people would 100% think you are a massive fan of hers.
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It’s too connected to Rand and, admittedly as a non native English speaker, I really don’t see how it could be pronounced “Anne.” If you like Anne use Anne.
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Yes, it is. Aynne would be better if you don't want the connection, but then trying to get an "Ann" pronunciation out of it might be even more difficult.
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It doesn't make sense to me to pronounce Ayn like "Anne." Also, the tie to Ayn Rand is indissoluble, as Pelops explained.
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Yes it is. It's more than tied to her. She made it up herself, for herself. Its entire existence is a direct reference to her. Also, she didn't pronounce it Anne and neither should you.
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I gotta admit though that the idea of just steamrolling over Rand's pronunciation and insisting it's said "Anne" is pretty funny to me.
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I'm not insisting it's said Anne, I want to pronounce it Anne. It makes sense phonetically to me and I don't see anything wrong with pronouncing however I want, seeing as she's practically obsolete now.
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No no, I didn't mean it as a slight on you, but on Rand and the little I know about her character. I sorta say it like "Ann Rand" myself.
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Gotcha. That makes sense.
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Why not?
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Why not? No man, the burden is on you. Why would Ayn be pronounced Anne? Why insert a spicy vowel into the middle of a word and pretend like it doesn't change the pronunciation at all? Ayn Rand, the person who invented the name, pronounced it Ein. Phonetics exist. In some cases, there is the argument of linguistic provenance. There's no argument for that here. That's just a random mishandling of basic phonetics. Surely I don't have to explain the concept of phonetics? I'm not going to, but that's my answer to "why not."
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Yes you are lol.
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Let's not get too caught up in phonetics here..
Either how, I straight off the back pronounced it as Anne, but the Ein pronounciation makes sense.
I don't know who Ayn Rand is and quite frankly I don't give a damn, however juding by the things I've just looked up about her, she doesn't seem all that good.
Either how, I straight off the back pronounced it as Anne, but the Ein pronounciation makes sense.
I don't know who Ayn Rand is and quite frankly I don't give a damn, however juding by the things I've just looked up about her, she doesn't seem all that good.
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No, I don't understand. Why wouldn't you use phonetics to determine how a name sounds off the bat? Ayn is either Ein or Ain (like Aim). There is no word in, well, any language I can think of where it makes the Anne vowel. What's your reasoning? This is legitimately completely unfathomable to me. No, Ayn Rand is not very good.
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Just weighing in to agree here. I’m a trained phonics teacher and ‘ay’ is not a grapheme for /a/. It just isn’t.
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Because that's what my brain tells me? Do I need a reason for that? lol
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I don't think so - I've heard lots of people refer to her as "Ann" Rand. Like, on the radio. Sounding confident about it.
I happened to know that it was "I'n" Rand, because my dad had one of her books and I saw the name and asked him how to say it. If not for that, I would have assumed all the people saying "Ann" were right. Even though it doesn't make sense phonetically. Sometimes names don't make sense phonetically in English. Eleanor for example. Caoimhe.
I happened to know that it was "I'n" Rand, because my dad had one of her books and I saw the name and asked him how to say it. If not for that, I would have assumed all the people saying "Ann" were right. Even though it doesn't make sense phonetically. Sometimes names don't make sense phonetically in English. Eleanor for example. Caoimhe.
This message was edited 3/13/2021, 9:29 PM
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Right - because they can't figure Ayn out phonetically, because it's unfamiliar. And other people heard it and repeated it confidently, because they thought, oh it must be foreign, and it must make sense in some other language. But it doesn't. Ayn Rand made it up for herself, and pronounced it Ein. Eleanor and Caoimhe have linguistic roots. Eleanor came into English after decades or centuries of the E and A sounds slowly blending together. Caoimhe is from the Irish language where phonemes are completely different. Ayn's linguistic root is Finnish if anything (it's sort of based off of Aino, maybe) and in that case the pronunciation is still: Ein.
It's totally bizarre that people say it Ann, and also literally incorrect.
It's totally bizarre that people say it Ann, and also literally incorrect.
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My point though, is that someone in the US who had an audience, at some point, must have guessed the pronunciation wrong as "Ann," or said it in a way that sounded like "Ann," and it DID spread, because I've heard more than one person say "Ann" Rand. So it's not just ignorant stupids who think it's "Ann" - it's people who've heard other people saying it that way.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but I think it really happened.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but I think it really happened.
This message was edited 3/14/2021, 1:18 PM
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Well, yeah. There's a lot of people who say it wrong. I used to say it like that, because of how others said it, and I would always get annoyed that she would alter the spelling to something that didn't make any sense. But we have the internet now. You can just whip out your phone if the Ayn confuses you. You gotta stay willfully ignorant to keep saying "Ann." It's just... the wrong pronunciation.
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I'm literally laughing out loud at how much this appears to be majorly upsetting you right now.
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Well then, I guess I'm happily incorrect. I'm not continuing this farther. You can if you want, but I'm out.
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Idk, she's dead right? I think it makes more sense to pronounce it Anne. That's how I would phonetically spell Anne, anyway.
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No man, I do not believe you. Give me one other word in English where "Ay" makes the same vowel sound as Anne.
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Anne = Ayn. Welcome to Tennessee
This message was edited 3/13/2021, 9:18 PM
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No. I'm from Alabama. This doesn't work.
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If it was spelled Ayan maybe that would be pronounced SIMILARLY to Anne, but Ayn is just not pronounced like Anne and it would give your daughter a lifetime of headache if you decided to make people pronounce it that way.
I taught a girl named Anya whose name was supposedly pronounced "AHN-yay" (with an accent on the second a because that somehow makes it better). The girl is surprised that others struggle so much to pronounce it as she wishes (or her mother wishes rather). I want to ask her mother, in what world does an "A" at the end of a word make the literal "A" sound? Anye would have been so much more logical. Reading is fundamental.
Sorry, not trying to be mean. I'm just getting in my feelings.
I taught a girl named Anya whose name was supposedly pronounced "AHN-yay" (with an accent on the second a because that somehow makes it better). The girl is surprised that others struggle so much to pronounce it as she wishes (or her mother wishes rather). I want to ask her mother, in what world does an "A" at the end of a word make the literal "A" sound? Anye would have been so much more logical. Reading is fundamental.
Sorry, not trying to be mean. I'm just getting in my feelings.
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Nevermind
This message was edited 3/13/2021, 9:32 PM
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