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HelpRe: Is Ayn too connected to Rand?
in reply to a message by Higuma
Yes you are lol.
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Let's not get too caught up in phonetics here..
Either how, I straight off the back pronounced it as Anne, but the Ein pronounciation makes sense.
I don't know who Ayn Rand is and quite frankly I don't give a damn, however juding by the things I've just looked up about her, she doesn't seem all that good.
Either how, I straight off the back pronounced it as Anne, but the Ein pronounciation makes sense.
I don't know who Ayn Rand is and quite frankly I don't give a damn, however juding by the things I've just looked up about her, she doesn't seem all that good.
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No, I don't understand. Why wouldn't you use phonetics to determine how a name sounds off the bat? Ayn is either Ein or Ain (like Aim). There is no word in, well, any language I can think of where it makes the Anne vowel. What's your reasoning? This is legitimately completely unfathomable to me. No, Ayn Rand is not very good.
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Just weighing in to agree here. I’m a trained phonics teacher and ‘ay’ is not a grapheme for /a/. It just isn’t.
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Because that's what my brain tells me? Do I need a reason for that? lol
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I don't think so - I've heard lots of people refer to her as "Ann" Rand. Like, on the radio. Sounding confident about it.
I happened to know that it was "I'n" Rand, because my dad had one of her books and I saw the name and asked him how to say it. If not for that, I would have assumed all the people saying "Ann" were right. Even though it doesn't make sense phonetically. Sometimes names don't make sense phonetically in English. Eleanor for example. Caoimhe.
I happened to know that it was "I'n" Rand, because my dad had one of her books and I saw the name and asked him how to say it. If not for that, I would have assumed all the people saying "Ann" were right. Even though it doesn't make sense phonetically. Sometimes names don't make sense phonetically in English. Eleanor for example. Caoimhe.
This message was edited 3/13/2021, 9:29 PM
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Right - because they can't figure Ayn out phonetically, because it's unfamiliar. And other people heard it and repeated it confidently, because they thought, oh it must be foreign, and it must make sense in some other language. But it doesn't. Ayn Rand made it up for herself, and pronounced it Ein. Eleanor and Caoimhe have linguistic roots. Eleanor came into English after decades or centuries of the E and A sounds slowly blending together. Caoimhe is from the Irish language where phonemes are completely different. Ayn's linguistic root is Finnish if anything (it's sort of based off of Aino, maybe) and in that case the pronunciation is still: Ein.
It's totally bizarre that people say it Ann, and also literally incorrect.
It's totally bizarre that people say it Ann, and also literally incorrect.
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My point though, is that someone in the US who had an audience, at some point, must have guessed the pronunciation wrong as "Ann," or said it in a way that sounded like "Ann," and it DID spread, because I've heard more than one person say "Ann" Rand. So it's not just ignorant stupids who think it's "Ann" - it's people who've heard other people saying it that way.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but I think it really happened.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but I think it really happened.
This message was edited 3/14/2021, 1:18 PM
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Well, yeah. There's a lot of people who say it wrong. I used to say it like that, because of how others said it, and I would always get annoyed that she would alter the spelling to something that didn't make any sense. But we have the internet now. You can just whip out your phone if the Ayn confuses you. You gotta stay willfully ignorant to keep saying "Ann." It's just... the wrong pronunciation.
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I'm literally laughing out loud at how much this appears to be majorly upsetting you right now.
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Well then, I guess I'm happily incorrect. I'm not continuing this farther. You can if you want, but I'm out.
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