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Help[Opinions] Re: Ilya, and some other Russian names
in reply to a message by Bronislava
Yeah I actually like all of their names pretty well.
Odd that they are random. Ilya is Ukranian, and I think that Olga and Tatiana are as well. That might have something to do with it?
LOL yeah I was telling my friend Janine about Ilya and she said "What's his full name" and I said "Ilya" and she said "That is a nickname" and I said "No it is the Russian form of Elijah think Tchaik and Lenin" and she said "Oh. I thought it was a nickname for that" and I said "BAHAHHAHA NO FOOL, ILYICH IS THE PATRONYMIC BAHAHAHAHHAHA" and she said "Ha ha ha."
That is interesting about the intelligentsia using Ilyusha. Ilya's family actually came to America when he was nine because "it just sucked" and "there weren't many prospects." Now they make concrete factories or something and are - fairly well off? I know Ilya went to Yale. Of course he is Ukrainian. And when I asked if there was a nickname for Ilya when I was grilling him about his name, he said "The diminutive is Ilyusha." So I dunno if his family uses it or what.
Ilyukha and Alyokha are fun too. Wow names are fun when they are not Hayden and Jace.
His midd- well. The conversation went thus. His English was perfect so I was surprised to find out he was, like, 4real Russian (did not yet know he was Ukranian).
Me: "Do you have a patronymic middle name too?"
Him: "Of course!"
Me: "OO WHAT IS IT"
Him: "Felixovich." (Probably it was Feliksovich. Whatev. I like x's.)
Me: "AWESOME I am def telling all of my namenerd friends about you"
Other people in the car: "Oh what does that mean"
Him: "In most eastern european countries it is traditional to use the father's first name with the suffix -ovich, which means 'son of,' as the son's middle name. So my father is Felix (Feliks), and my middle name is Feliksovich."
Other people in the car, some of whom were really boring: Oh yeah like JohnSON and MadiSON
So I felt okay saying "middle name." But I suppose I should use patronymic in the future :P
Unfortunately I have never read Chekov. One day, though. I have only read the two dostoyevskys and they both went way over my head. But - the names I collected! Yum! Gavril is from the idiot. And - I did not like his character too much, but I found him kind of endearing, and Ganya such a solid and handsome nickname!
...But Dima's so cute! :P I can see why it's trendy. I like Mitya too. And that guy is smokin'. Oh man.
I probably won't live in Russia. So -
...I probably won't have more than 2 or 3 kids anyway
Do Dmitrys usually go by one or the other pretty exclusively? is it like a James "Jim" vs James "Jamie" sort of situation?
Lazarevich. Wow. that is awesome. What's the Russian form of Lazarus? I love Lazar as a pair of syllables. Shazam! Lazar!
Shura is awesome awww.
I really like Alexander too lately (John and David), but Sasha (and Shura) don't feel right if it's not spelled Russian, kwim?
LOL wow 7.8%. Wow. Wowowow. I think it is pretty but not 7.8 pretty - only Maria deserves that.
I am irritated about Uncle Vanya because we did not end up reading it in English. We read something else instead and I remember thinking that it was not really really good.
Vanyechka! Awesome!
I am glad Ivan is like British Jack :P I like British Jack well enough, I just wish he were John nn Jack.
When Janine and I found out about Tchaikovsky's brother - oh man. we laughed so hard. "Modest." Of all things.
Now I think it is great of course. Too bad you know no Modests though. I have a character tentatively named Modest, but - I dunno, it switches a lot.
I like Yaroslav too, but I much prefer -mir to -slav phonetically.
LOL aww Agafya. I think it is pretty but I guess it is the same as Agatha here - except apparently worse. Agatha-Gertrudis.
Too bad that meeting a Herbert Bartholomew is unlikely though. :P
LOL thank you for sparing me your list of favorite Russian names.
Also for this reply. It took me a very long time to type this reply out o_0 Of course I am also writing a summary of my experience at this festival at the same time. I would be interested in that PM though!
Odd that they are random. Ilya is Ukranian, and I think that Olga and Tatiana are as well. That might have something to do with it?
LOL yeah I was telling my friend Janine about Ilya and she said "What's his full name" and I said "Ilya" and she said "That is a nickname" and I said "No it is the Russian form of Elijah think Tchaik and Lenin" and she said "Oh. I thought it was a nickname for that" and I said "BAHAHHAHA NO FOOL, ILYICH IS THE PATRONYMIC BAHAHAHAHHAHA" and she said "Ha ha ha."
That is interesting about the intelligentsia using Ilyusha. Ilya's family actually came to America when he was nine because "it just sucked" and "there weren't many prospects." Now they make concrete factories or something and are - fairly well off? I know Ilya went to Yale. Of course he is Ukrainian. And when I asked if there was a nickname for Ilya when I was grilling him about his name, he said "The diminutive is Ilyusha." So I dunno if his family uses it or what.
Ilyukha and Alyokha are fun too. Wow names are fun when they are not Hayden and Jace.
His midd- well. The conversation went thus. His English was perfect so I was surprised to find out he was, like, 4real Russian (did not yet know he was Ukranian).
Me: "Do you have a patronymic middle name too?"
Him: "Of course!"
Me: "OO WHAT IS IT"
Him: "Felixovich." (Probably it was Feliksovich. Whatev. I like x's.)
Me: "AWESOME I am def telling all of my namenerd friends about you"
Other people in the car: "Oh what does that mean"
Him: "In most eastern european countries it is traditional to use the father's first name with the suffix -ovich, which means 'son of,' as the son's middle name. So my father is Felix (Feliks), and my middle name is Feliksovich."
Other people in the car, some of whom were really boring: Oh yeah like JohnSON and MadiSON
So I felt okay saying "middle name." But I suppose I should use patronymic in the future :P
Unfortunately I have never read Chekov. One day, though. I have only read the two dostoyevskys and they both went way over my head. But - the names I collected! Yum! Gavril is from the idiot. And - I did not like his character too much, but I found him kind of endearing, and Ganya such a solid and handsome nickname!
...But Dima's so cute! :P I can see why it's trendy. I like Mitya too. And that guy is smokin'. Oh man.
I probably won't live in Russia. So -
...I probably won't have more than 2 or 3 kids anyway
Do Dmitrys usually go by one or the other pretty exclusively? is it like a James "Jim" vs James "Jamie" sort of situation?
Lazarevich. Wow. that is awesome. What's the Russian form of Lazarus? I love Lazar as a pair of syllables. Shazam! Lazar!
Shura is awesome awww.
I really like Alexander too lately (John and David), but Sasha (and Shura) don't feel right if it's not spelled Russian, kwim?
LOL wow 7.8%. Wow. Wowowow. I think it is pretty but not 7.8 pretty - only Maria deserves that.
I am irritated about Uncle Vanya because we did not end up reading it in English. We read something else instead and I remember thinking that it was not really really good.
Vanyechka! Awesome!
I am glad Ivan is like British Jack :P I like British Jack well enough, I just wish he were John nn Jack.
When Janine and I found out about Tchaikovsky's brother - oh man. we laughed so hard. "Modest." Of all things.
Now I think it is great of course. Too bad you know no Modests though. I have a character tentatively named Modest, but - I dunno, it switches a lot.
I like Yaroslav too, but I much prefer -mir to -slav phonetically.
LOL aww Agafya. I think it is pretty but I guess it is the same as Agatha here - except apparently worse. Agatha-Gertrudis.
Too bad that meeting a Herbert Bartholomew is unlikely though. :P
LOL thank you for sparing me your list of favorite Russian names.
Also for this reply. It took me a very long time to type this reply out o_0 Of course I am also writing a summary of my experience at this festival at the same time. I would be interested in that PM though!
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Oh well, Ukraine is still very related to Russia – you can live there easily without knowing Ukrainian like at all, so all the names Ukrainians use tend to be Russian. One little exception seems to be Oksana – all the Oksanas I’ve known have been originally from Ukraine. :P
I didn’t actually mean that only intelligentsia is using Ilyusha. Ilyukha sounds very street-related compared to Ilyusha, if you know, what I mean. It is like using “bad” words – you will never call yourself Alyokha among grandparents as well as you will never use vulgar words. Of course Ilyusha and Alyosha (Andriusha – Andryukha, Vanyusha – Vanyukha, Markusha - Markukha) are also the “official” nicknames. :) My mom, who is very proud of her belonging to “intelligentsia” would never call anyone of her friends Ilyukha.
Btw, I just thought I could add about nickname usage something. Actually there are two categories of name-nickname relationships.
1) Names like Andrei, Ilya, Yeva, Mark, Zhanna, Nikita, Oleg, Yan, Vera, Igor, Zoya. When people with those names introduce themselves, they never say: “I’m Olyezhka” or “I’m Verochka”. Those pet forms are too familiar and they aren’t used as often as nicknames for the names of the second cathegory.
2) Aleksandr, Yevgeny, Olga, Yelena, Yelizaveta, Mikhail, Anna, Grigory, Yuri, Darya, Maria, Konstantin, Anastasia, Stanislav.
I didn’t actually mean that only intelligentsia is using Ilyusha. Ilyukha sounds very street-related compared to Ilyusha, if you know, what I mean. It is like using “bad” words – you will never call yourself Alyokha among grandparents as well as you will never use vulgar words. Of course Ilyusha and Alyosha (Andriusha – Andryukha, Vanyusha – Vanyukha, Markusha - Markukha) are also the “official” nicknames. :) My mom, who is very proud of her belonging to “intelligentsia” would never call anyone of her friends Ilyukha.
Btw, I just thought I could add about nickname usage something. Actually there are two categories of name-nickname relationships.
1) Names like Andrei, Ilya, Yeva, Mark, Zhanna, Nikita, Oleg, Yan, Vera, Igor, Zoya. When people with those names introduce themselves, they never say: “I’m Olyezhka” or “I’m Verochka”. Those pet forms are too familiar and they aren’t used as often as nicknames for the names of the second cathegory.
2) Aleksandr, Yevgeny, Olga, Yelena, Yelizaveta, Mikhail, Anna, Grigory, Yuri, Darya, Maria, Konstantin, Anastasia, Stanislav.
This message was edited 6/19/2008, 11:28 AM
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