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This message was edited 3/31/2012, 9:36 PM
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Congratulations!! Sorry someone's being a jerk about it. :/
As usual, I love your lists. The only two I don't like are Oscar and Marcus, and that's just personal taste -- they're both perfectly good names, I just find them unattractive. I'm also not a huge fan of Ariana. It goes beyond frilly and into kind of prissy and insubstantial to me.
My favorites are Jonathan, Joseph, Leo, Liliana / Lily, Leah, Eliana, Lilia, Anna, Emilia, and Elena, and Samuel, Daniel, and Lydia are great too.
Random boy suggestions (I can't quite remember what your other children's names are, so sorry if you've used/already considered and rejected some of these!):
Gabriel
Raphael / Rafael
Nicolas / Nicholas
Nathaniel
Noah
Jonah
Benjamin
Alexander (and weren't you considering Alejandro at one point, or am I just crazy?)
David
Thomas
Lucas
Liam
Eli / Elias / Elijah
Micah
Miguel
Combo ideas:
Jonathan Emanuel
Leo Jonathan, Jonathan Leo
As usual, I love your lists. The only two I don't like are Oscar and Marcus, and that's just personal taste -- they're both perfectly good names, I just find them unattractive. I'm also not a huge fan of Ariana. It goes beyond frilly and into kind of prissy and insubstantial to me.
My favorites are Jonathan, Joseph, Leo, Liliana / Lily, Leah, Eliana, Lilia, Anna, Emilia, and Elena, and Samuel, Daniel, and Lydia are great too.
Random boy suggestions (I can't quite remember what your other children's names are, so sorry if you've used/already considered and rejected some of these!):
Gabriel
Raphael / Rafael
Nicolas / Nicholas
Nathaniel
Noah
Jonah
Benjamin
Alexander (and weren't you considering Alejandro at one point, or am I just crazy?)
David
Thomas
Lucas
Liam
Eli / Elias / Elijah
Micah
Miguel
Combo ideas:
Jonathan Emanuel
Leo Jonathan, Jonathan Leo
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Yay, there will be another baby with a wonderful name in the world :-)
As I have many times professed my love of your naming style, I'll not bore you with it again. My choice would be:
Oscar Emanuel or Leo Amadeus
Anna Sofia or Elena Lucia (all on my list also)
Would you consider using the Karolina spelling for clarity of pronunciation (just because I love it and think that most people in the US will get it wrong)?
As I have many times professed my love of your naming style, I'll not bore you with it again. My choice would be:
Oscar Emanuel or Leo Amadeus
Anna Sofia or Elena Lucia (all on my list also)
Would you consider using the Karolina spelling for clarity of pronunciation (just because I love it and think that most people in the US will get it wrong)?
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Congrats!
For a boy, you know how much I adore Leo. I also like Daniel very much. WDYT of:
Leo Daniel -- my fave here
Leo Jonathan
Leo Samuel
Daniel Joseph
Daniel Marcus
Diego Jonathan -- Would you consider Diego for a fn? Love it!
Diego Marcus
If it's a girl, I love Eliana and Ariana and like Elena and Liliana very much. The only one here I really don't care for is Lydia. WDYT of:
Eliana Sofia
Eliana Victoria
Eliana Juliet
Ariana Sofia
Ariana Victoria
Ariana Juliet
Ariana Lucia
Elena Sofia
Elena Victoria
Liliana Sofia
Liliana Victoria
Anna Carolina -- which is what I call my dd sometimes ;-)
Anna Victoria
Anna Sofia
Anna Juliet
For a boy, you know how much I adore Leo. I also like Daniel very much. WDYT of:
Leo Daniel -- my fave here
Leo Jonathan
Leo Samuel
Daniel Joseph
Daniel Marcus
Diego Jonathan -- Would you consider Diego for a fn? Love it!
Diego Marcus
If it's a girl, I love Eliana and Ariana and like Elena and Liliana very much. The only one here I really don't care for is Lydia. WDYT of:
Eliana Sofia
Eliana Victoria
Eliana Juliet
Ariana Sofia
Ariana Victoria
Ariana Juliet
Ariana Lucia
Elena Sofia
Elena Victoria
Liliana Sofia
Liliana Victoria
Anna Carolina -- which is what I call my dd sometimes ;-)
Anna Victoria
Anna Sofia
Anna Juliet
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You have great names there. :) If I had to pick myself, I'd go with Jonathan Diego and Lydia Juliet.
Lydia Juliet is so romantic and beautiful. Thinking about it makes me hope you have a girl and that becomes her name. LOL.
Anyway, here are some more boy name suggestions since you don't have so many boy favorites. :)
Rupert
Gideon
Thaddeus
Theodore
Hugo
August
Ambrose
Miguel
Guillermo
Horace / Horus
Franklin
Xavier
Nolan
Cole
Victor
Lysander
Oren
Jericho
Judah
Silas
Hope that helps! And congrats! Do you mind sharing the names of your other children? I'm just curious. :)
Lydia Juliet is so romantic and beautiful. Thinking about it makes me hope you have a girl and that becomes her name. LOL.
Anyway, here are some more boy name suggestions since you don't have so many boy favorites. :)
Rupert
Gideon
Thaddeus
Theodore
Hugo
August
Ambrose
Miguel
Guillermo
Horace / Horus
Franklin
Xavier
Nolan
Cole
Victor
Lysander
Oren
Jericho
Judah
Silas
Hope that helps! And congrats! Do you mind sharing the names of your other children? I'm just curious. :)
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Well I find Oscar Emanuel quite handsome. Or Oscar Amadeus! Or Leo Emanuel! I can see why you're having difficulty.
And Lydia Juliet would be my pick for a girl, it's so romantic. Oh but Lorena is quite nice too... Anna Lorena! Ohh that's nice.
Ok I would pick Leo Emanuel or Anna Lorena, because I love the tumbling stream of sounds both of those have. But, these are just my personal faves. All these names are nice.
And don't pay any attention to "guru". He's just a bully.
And Lydia Juliet would be my pick for a girl, it's so romantic. Oh but Lorena is quite nice too... Anna Lorena! Ohh that's nice.
Ok I would pick Leo Emanuel or Anna Lorena, because I love the tumbling stream of sounds both of those have. But, these are just my personal faves. All these names are nice.
And don't pay any attention to "guru". He's just a bully.
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Elena is my top pick for a girl's name, followed by Leah. I think Elena Lucia would be beautiful, and fit the feminine and slightly frilly criteria, though it's not too frilly (I think Liliana paired with any of the MNs but Eve might be too much).
For boys, I like Oscar, Daniel, and Joseph, with Emanuel and Amadeus for middles. What about Oscar Emanuel or Daniel Amadeus?
Number six! Congratulations! What are the names of your other children?
For boys, I like Oscar, Daniel, and Joseph, with Emanuel and Amadeus for middles. What about Oscar Emanuel or Daniel Amadeus?
Number six! Congratulations! What are the names of your other children?
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Oscar - Really like it.
Samuel - really love it.
Daniel - I don't know why, but I've never loved it. Maybe it's because it tends to get shortened to 'Dan' and I hate that?
Jonathan - I prefer John. Jonathan has always seemed kind of prissy to me.
Joseph - Eh... it's okay. Oscar and Samuel beat it.
Leo - prefer this as a nn.
Marcus - I dislike names that end in -us.
As for the middle names, Emanuel, Amadeus, Diego are not really my style, but of the three, I prefer Emanuel.
Liliana- I prefer Lilia or Lily to this.
Leah - really sweet. I've loved this one since before you had Isabel.
Lydia - love this too.
Eliana - pretty, but not as pretty as Leah and Lydia.
Ariana - just really not a fan.
Lilia - pretty
Anna - my favorite
Emilia - like this a lot.
Elena - pretty. how are you pronouncing it?
Lily - prefer Lilia.
My faves from the middle names are:
Eve, Elena, Lucia, Annabel, and Anna.
Samuel - really love it.
Daniel - I don't know why, but I've never loved it. Maybe it's because it tends to get shortened to 'Dan' and I hate that?
Jonathan - I prefer John. Jonathan has always seemed kind of prissy to me.
Joseph - Eh... it's okay. Oscar and Samuel beat it.
Leo - prefer this as a nn.
Marcus - I dislike names that end in -us.
As for the middle names, Emanuel, Amadeus, Diego are not really my style, but of the three, I prefer Emanuel.
Liliana- I prefer Lilia or Lily to this.
Leah - really sweet. I've loved this one since before you had Isabel.
Lydia - love this too.
Eliana - pretty, but not as pretty as Leah and Lydia.
Ariana - just really not a fan.
Lilia - pretty
Anna - my favorite
Emilia - like this a lot.
Elena - pretty. how are you pronouncing it?
Lily - prefer Lilia.
My faves from the middle names are:
Eve, Elena, Lucia, Annabel, and Anna.
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Liliana is too much of a frilly mouthful. I like Lillian and Lilith better. Leah, Anna and Lily are boring. I dislike Lorena. It's harsh and not very pretty.
Emilia and Lilia are ok.
I like the rest. I really like Arianna, Lydia, Elianna, Victoria, Eve, Lucia, Elena.
I LOVE Leo and Oscar. I really like Diego. Samuel is ok. I dislike Daniel, Jonathan and Emanuel. The rest would make good middle names.
Emilia and Lilia are ok.
I like the rest. I really like Arianna, Lydia, Elianna, Victoria, Eve, Lucia, Elena.
I LOVE Leo and Oscar. I really like Diego. Samuel is ok. I dislike Daniel, Jonathan and Emanuel. The rest would make good middle names.
This message was edited 3/30/2012, 8:14 AM
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Why has Lucia been relegated to the middle name spot? I was actually impressed with that choice.
The others, not so much. All vapid, except for Anna and Leah, though compared to Lucia, they are quite drab.
And since it's number six, why not consider Environmentalina-Irresponsibilitina? That sounds ultra-feminine. :D
The others, not so much. All vapid, except for Anna and Leah, though compared to Lucia, they are quite drab.
And since it's number six, why not consider Environmentalina-Irresponsibilitina? That sounds ultra-feminine. :D
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you know...
it's totally obnoxious of you to do this, none of your business and uncalled for and all of that, and even totally hypocritical, as mirfak points out, but I'm glad that every so often there's someone who does.
This coming from someone who wants a lot of kids. I don't think that earns me the right to be immune from having this kind of stuff said to me.
it's totally obnoxious of you to do this, none of your business and uncalled for and all of that, and even totally hypocritical, as mirfak points out, but I'm glad that every so often there's someone who does.
This coming from someone who wants a lot of kids. I don't think that earns me the right to be immune from having this kind of stuff said to me.
This message was edited 3/31/2012, 12:34 AM
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Uh, I have to ask, what makes you glad that every so often someone gets all sanctimonious towards random mothers about how "extra" human children are bad for the planet? Is it just not obvious to you why it's wrongheaded, I guess? Or you're baiting me ... heh. If you were, it'd be working. I'm gonna sit on my hands now...
Obligatory on topic: My favorite Spanish name is Ramón. I guess it's probably not in style.
Obligatory on topic: My favorite Spanish name is Ramón. I guess it's probably not in style.
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Maybe she feels this way for the same reason that I feel that every theist should be exposed to the atheist viewpoint and arguments at least once in their lives? Because one gets tired of it being something that needs to be tiptoed around and avoided at all costs because the risk of offense is so great? As I said, I wouldn't have objected to guru's bringing this subject up and making his arguments under other circumstances, I just think it was the wrong time and place.
I could be totally wrong about Ludwig's motivation, it's just a guess.
I could be totally wrong about Ludwig's motivation, it's just a guess.
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You think I am an atheist? That shows how little you know about me, and how much you assume. I know my scriptures, and I know them well enough to understand that many of them come with a specific context: we don't stone adulterers to death anymore, nor do we kill homosexuals, or sell our daughters into slavery. I believe that contextual consideration must be applied when an environment is experiencing a crisis in resources. I don't think that if there is a major problem, God doesn't want us to keep perpetuating it because of something He said to someone else. God may have said "be fruitful and multiply" to Adam and Eve and that would be logical. I doubt very much that God has repeated these words to any specific person on this forum however, especially seeing as most people here view child bearing as a form of self-expression or self-glorification rather than self-sacrifice.
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Neeein she was using a simile.
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Reading comprehension fail.
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Yeah, sort of. The thing is there's really not an appropriate way to bring this kind of thing up. But without someone bringing it up - necessarily obnoxiously, inappropriately, hypocritically, and sanctimoniously - the opposing viewpoint never gets aired. It might be because I have sympathy with both "sides" (though it's not exactly my place to have sympathy with), but things start to feel whitewashed and depressing to me after a while of one side being neglected because it's not appropriate - for good reason - to criticize random people's life choices. I think if I actually had five kids, and no one ever said anything to me about how it was environmentally irresponsible (because change is enacted by large groups of people making small, responsible choices, and it does get undermined in a way that is too small to defend rationally without seeming ridiculous, but important nonetheless), it would slowly make me really inscrutably upset. But maybe I'm into externalized self-loathing.
I wouldn't bring it up. But I'm glad that every so often someone acts boorishly enough to feel entitled to do it, just so the issue can be aired and defended, even if no one is obligated to defend their own choices. Idk.
I dunno, people complain a lot about things people say to them over and over, based on their tattoos or their decision not to have kids or whatever. I don't ever quite get up in arms about it. "Freedom" doesn't mean the freedom to escape random criticism from ignoramuses. It doesn't mean there's no "cost" to making unusual decisions; that cost is dealing with obnoxious people who would impose their sense of order on you. It doesn't mean you get to be immune from feedback. That would mean the freedom to create an individualized fantasy world. It just means the choice is available to you.
I wouldn't bring it up. But I'm glad that every so often someone acts boorishly enough to feel entitled to do it, just so the issue can be aired and defended, even if no one is obligated to defend their own choices. Idk.
I dunno, people complain a lot about things people say to them over and over, based on their tattoos or their decision not to have kids or whatever. I don't ever quite get up in arms about it. "Freedom" doesn't mean the freedom to escape random criticism from ignoramuses. It doesn't mean there's no "cost" to making unusual decisions; that cost is dealing with obnoxious people who would impose their sense of order on you. It doesn't mean you get to be immune from feedback. That would mean the freedom to create an individualized fantasy world. It just means the choice is available to you.
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The problem I have isn't that it's rude, or inappropriate, to criticize random people. I don't think people should be protected from legitimate political criticism of their personal choices. I'm saying the particular criticism is as negative and destructive as the problem it tries to oppose, and can do nothing good. So random attacks on breeders aren't just uncomfortable, they're canting and perverse.
Of course you technically can say that more kids = more resource use. Of course it's okay to point that out. But what's the agenda you're supporting when you do? And who, exactly, are you suffering for, when you self-flagellate over having five kids? Um, is it for the kids' own future? If you did have five kids and felt pangs of guilt, your attention might be sharply drawn to those parties who have a great deal more ability to take responsibility for conservation than you do, who neglect it with impunity. And you'd wonder if maybe, being a cause of positive change is not even as simple as sacrificing your personal fulfillment.
We all do so much more right, when we treat ourselves and our fellow citizens humanely and with dignity in the first place. If you want to see change and you're going to go about it in a negative way, motivated by fear and loathing - you might as well just kill yourself, because that'd be an environmentally responsible choice. Are you anti-people-breathing, or anti-exploitation-and-ignorance? Turning on each other or considering our own fertility as an evil doesn't save the planet, it only further manifests deathworship that we would naturally hate.
I'm inclined to link to this yet again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAlIHsXcLY
ETA: About being off topic ... I know what the board is for, and you know better than to read posts that aren't interesting to you. =)
Of course you technically can say that more kids = more resource use. Of course it's okay to point that out. But what's the agenda you're supporting when you do? And who, exactly, are you suffering for, when you self-flagellate over having five kids? Um, is it for the kids' own future? If you did have five kids and felt pangs of guilt, your attention might be sharply drawn to those parties who have a great deal more ability to take responsibility for conservation than you do, who neglect it with impunity. And you'd wonder if maybe, being a cause of positive change is not even as simple as sacrificing your personal fulfillment.
We all do so much more right, when we treat ourselves and our fellow citizens humanely and with dignity in the first place. If you want to see change and you're going to go about it in a negative way, motivated by fear and loathing - you might as well just kill yourself, because that'd be an environmentally responsible choice. Are you anti-people-breathing, or anti-exploitation-and-ignorance? Turning on each other or considering our own fertility as an evil doesn't save the planet, it only further manifests deathworship that we would naturally hate.
I'm inclined to link to this yet again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAlIHsXcLY
ETA: About being off topic ... I know what the board is for, and you know better than to read posts that aren't interesting to you. =)
This message was edited 3/31/2012, 10:57 AM
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Well this topic is off the board now so I'll keep it short. My own feelings about this issue are pretty mixed, as I've said. I feel like there wouldn't have been a place to have this conversation at all - your attention might be sharply drawn to those parties who have a great deal more ability to take responsibility for conservation than you do, who neglect it with impunity. - if Brandon had politely quashed his sanctimonious feelings. And I think it's okay for this conversation to happen, even though it's veered off-topic.
lol. I've read most of the on-topic replies to this, I just don't have much to say in response to them
lol. I've read most of the on-topic replies to this, I just don't have much to say in response to them
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Mirfak, I must say I am a little surprised at your lack of reason regarding this thread. I expected more from you, but you have lost that respect from me. Drop the emotion and look at the data. Research natural capital, overpopulation, and ecological footprints. Take a class on environmental science instead of accusing me of being a deathworshipper (really?)--on the contrary, I am advocating sustainability, not death. I do not care about maintaining consensus with anyone on this forum--a hotbed of defective and unstable personalities. What would maintaining consensus achieve? I can't for the life of me understand why you'd think I'd benefit from any of your approval, or why I should self-censor beliefs about which I feel strongly.
This thread alone has displayed every possible symptom of groupthink--a phenomenon which hinders progressive and critical rethinking (you could also research groupthink). I have no need nor use for cohesion with any of you, and am by now quite used to your pointy hats.
Also (one last thing), in what way is spreading awareness NOT activism?
This thread alone has displayed every possible symptom of groupthink--a phenomenon which hinders progressive and critical rethinking (you could also research groupthink). I have no need nor use for cohesion with any of you, and am by now quite used to your pointy hats.
Also (one last thing), in what way is spreading awareness NOT activism?
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Oh, an ad hominem! How nice!
It appears that you missed my point. I don't need more education to know that sustainability does not have to depend on curtailing reproduction directly on an individual basis. That is very simplistic. A small reduction in the number of consumers does not necessarily mean less exploitation. It might even lead to more, considering all the incentives for exploitation. (I'm not insisting that it would, just trying to suggest that there is complexity to consider)
I don't think you should self-censor your beliefs at all. I think you should reconsider them, or at least reconsider your own emotional commitment to them. There is the possibility that it's you whose critical faculty is impaired by groupthink. Who are you thinking for, and who taught you what you think you know? Answer carefully. Have you ever really wondered, from where does the authority come, of the narrators of the researches that you invoke? Have you examined the meanings of the word "footprint," and do they all jibe perfectly with your values?
Accusing people of doing harm by having large families doesn't spread awareness, it's just an expression of your fear and loathing. I share your fear and loathing about environmental destruction - I just don't think that blaming my fellow citizens and their families is a positive action in any way whatsoever.
It appears that you missed my point. I don't need more education to know that sustainability does not have to depend on curtailing reproduction directly on an individual basis. That is very simplistic. A small reduction in the number of consumers does not necessarily mean less exploitation. It might even lead to more, considering all the incentives for exploitation. (I'm not insisting that it would, just trying to suggest that there is complexity to consider)
I don't think you should self-censor your beliefs at all. I think you should reconsider them, or at least reconsider your own emotional commitment to them. There is the possibility that it's you whose critical faculty is impaired by groupthink. Who are you thinking for, and who taught you what you think you know? Answer carefully. Have you ever really wondered, from where does the authority come, of the narrators of the researches that you invoke? Have you examined the meanings of the word "footprint," and do they all jibe perfectly with your values?
Accusing people of doing harm by having large families doesn't spread awareness, it's just an expression of your fear and loathing. I share your fear and loathing about environmental destruction - I just don't think that blaming my fellow citizens and their families is a positive action in any way whatsoever.
This message was edited 3/31/2012, 1:58 PM
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I know what you mean. There have been discussions in the Lounge about questions and comments directed at women who either never plan to have children or who are postponing it. Some have objected to even the most basic question, "So, are you planning on having children?" I've asked that question myself of so-far-childless couples and it never occurred to me that it's SO offensive. I've even said, to women who never plan to have children, "Well, I hope you don't regret that later on." I've also said, if they are young enough, "You might change your mind later on." Now from reading threads on the Lounge, I realize that these questions and comments are considered just SO intrusive and so horrible and so none-of-your-business and so indefensible. I make them just the same! The fact is, I know that it does happen, to some people, that they change their minds about having children and that some people live to regret it. It shouldn't be treated as if that's IMPOSSIBLE.
The fact is, that although it's much more common than it used to be, the decision to never have children is still made by a minority of people, and to a good portion of the majority who have or want to have children, it's really incomprehensible. I guess I feel the way that you do---you've made a minority decision, a decision which seems very unnatural to a good amount of people---so it's not like you have some God-given right to never ever ever hear anyone make any kind of comment about it.
So in your words, I don't think that it makes them immune from feedback or that there's no cost to making the decision.
It works the other way too---I had a friend who received a lot of negative comments when she revealed the fact that she was pregnant with her fourth child. The Duggars know that they come in for a lot of criticism. They've made a very unusual choice, so it's something that they have to deal with.
The fact is, that although it's much more common than it used to be, the decision to never have children is still made by a minority of people, and to a good portion of the majority who have or want to have children, it's really incomprehensible. I guess I feel the way that you do---you've made a minority decision, a decision which seems very unnatural to a good amount of people---so it's not like you have some God-given right to never ever ever hear anyone make any kind of comment about it.
So in your words, I don't think that it makes them immune from feedback or that there's no cost to making the decision.
It works the other way too---I had a friend who received a lot of negative comments when she revealed the fact that she was pregnant with her fourth child. The Duggars know that they come in for a lot of criticism. They've made a very unusual choice, so it's something that they have to deal with.
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haha..
Good point.
Good point.
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She's asking for help naming, not snarky (and unnecessary) comments about her private family choices. That seems like a really hurtful remark.
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Jeez. That's totally uncalled for.
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I'm not unhappy. I am, however, a student of environmental science. One day when our planet reaches carrying capacity (it may have already arrived) and there aren't enough resources to sustain you and your then brood of ten or eleven, do take a moment to remember this "unwanted" opinion.
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Well since your a student of environmental science you must know everything.. pfft.
Why not aim this at the less than responsible individuals who have multiple children by multiple fathers, live off welfare or are left neglected and for the system to care for?
If your so "concerned" about the environment, why don't you just not procreate. With nasty comments like yours I think that might just make a great difference to our planet :)
Why not aim this at the less than responsible individuals who have multiple children by multiple fathers, live off welfare or are left neglected and for the system to care for?
If your so "concerned" about the environment, why don't you just not procreate. With nasty comments like yours I think that might just make a great difference to our planet :)
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I did not pursue an education for it to be unshared, for in doing so, that knowledge would be wasted.
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thats laughable.
So you can just assume that no one else here has any knowledge of population or environmental science?
Phew.. its such a great thing that we have you otherwise how would we cope!
So you can just assume that no one else here has any knowledge of population or environmental science?
Phew.. its such a great thing that we have you otherwise how would we cope!
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Whether or not you can afford to take care of your brood does not diminish the fact that you are consuming and using up too many resources for the rest of the human population to sustain itself (many now cannot sustain themselves and are dying), not even taking into account future generations stemming from irresponsible overbreeding. Look at a timeline of the number of people living on the planet through the centuries from 10000 BCE until today. I suggest calculating your ecological footprint (there are several calculators online) and see how many earths (plural) it would take to sustain a planet in which every individual made the same choices and lived the same lifestyle as you. Then continue adding one child and see how it increases. A little knowledge can really make a difference.
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Think of this.
The majority of developed countries are having negative population growth. The countries that are continuing to grow are those that are under-developed. The best thing for population control isn't to tell a woman in a developed country she's having too many kids, the best way is to get off your butt and head to a developing country to educate people on fertility choices and allow them access to birth control.
The majority of developed countries are having negative population growth. The countries that are continuing to grow are those that are under-developed. The best thing for population control isn't to tell a woman in a developed country she's having too many kids, the best way is to get off your butt and head to a developing country to educate people on fertility choices and allow them access to birth control.
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All ridiculousness of the original comment aside... guru can have no idea how much "environmental impact" her family makes. It's quite possible that a family of 8 makes much less of an impact than another family of 3 or 4. You don't know how self-sufficient they are, what they buy, how much they repurpose and recycle, etc.
All ridiculousness of the original comment aside... guru can have no idea how much "environmental impact" her family makes. It's quite possible that a family of 8 makes much less of an impact than another family of 3 or 4. You don't know how self-sufficient they are, what they buy, how much they repurpose and recycle, etc.
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The ecological footprint of a large family in a developed country far outweighs a family of the same size in an underdeveloped country. In the developed country, people have a higher standard of living and use far more natural resources, natural services, and create far more pollution. A family of eight living in Los Angeles would be a far greater strain on the environment than a family of eight struggling to live off of the land in the Sudan.
Also, let's remove political boundaries. We have but one planet, everyone has a bearing on everyone else.
Also, let's remove political boundaries. We have but one planet, everyone has a bearing on everyone else.
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You know that just by existing here, you're causing so much destruction ... so why haven't you taken the big step, yourself?
Please, think a little more about who's responsible for what, and how, before you assail your fellow human beings for their family decisions in this petty and self-righteous way. It's absurd to suggest that you and I can help save the world by suffering small personal sacrifices like having 2 children instead of six. That's not activist.
Please, think a little more about who's responsible for what, and how, before you assail your fellow human beings for their family decisions in this petty and self-righteous way. It's absurd to suggest that you and I can help save the world by suffering small personal sacrifices like having 2 children instead of six. That's not activist.
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It's a matter of manners and taste, guru. If you were addressing someone who already had two or more children and was considering having another child, but was not yet pregnant, I wouldn't really blame you for stating your opinion and your reasons as to why this person should not have another child.
But when you are addressing someone such as the OP, someone who is already pregnant, happy and excited about it, it's just in poor taste and rude to bring this up. You don't think she's going to run out and terminate her wanted pregnancy because of what you say, do you? So what's the point of talking like this? To try to make her feel crappy about her pregnancy so that by the time her child arrives, it isn't wanted any longer? What...is...the...point?
And the fact is that in her country, obviously, it's legal to have as many children as one wants, so she is within her rights to have a sixth. Much as I may be concerned about overpopulation, I can tell you, I would no more want to live in a country that would force me to abort than I would want to live in a country that prohibited me from aborting.
So I suggest you do as vigdis says and devote yourself to curbing global population, if you feel so strongly about it, but remember taste and manners and that there's a time and a place for everything.
But when you are addressing someone such as the OP, someone who is already pregnant, happy and excited about it, it's just in poor taste and rude to bring this up. You don't think she's going to run out and terminate her wanted pregnancy because of what you say, do you? So what's the point of talking like this? To try to make her feel crappy about her pregnancy so that by the time her child arrives, it isn't wanted any longer? What...is...the...point?
And the fact is that in her country, obviously, it's legal to have as many children as one wants, so she is within her rights to have a sixth. Much as I may be concerned about overpopulation, I can tell you, I would no more want to live in a country that would force me to abort than I would want to live in a country that prohibited me from aborting.
So I suggest you do as vigdis says and devote yourself to curbing global population, if you feel so strongly about it, but remember taste and manners and that there's a time and a place for everything.
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I disagree with you. Being pregnant for the sixth time does not excuse one from being told facts about the impact of their condition on a strained environment. I am also not concerned with perfect politeness to the point of self-censorship of said facts on a message forum which is a constant continuum of venomous rudeness to and from every direction every day.
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Oh, I'm recognizing you from several years ago, you pesky little devil!
You're not only unconcerned about "perfect politeness", you're unconcerned about any level of politeness, and you always did like to complain about the "venomous rudeness" that you always brought on to yourself.
Remember the lengthy arguments you and I used to get into? Well, they resulted in part because of the fact that you and I both were always determined to have the last word. Thankfully, I've rectified that fault in myself, though I can see that you haven't. So to avoid a lengthy slap-down, which takes up space needlessly and benefits nobody, this will be my last post to you. I will let you have the last word. That's just the kind of woman that I am.
You're not only unconcerned about "perfect politeness", you're unconcerned about any level of politeness, and you always did like to complain about the "venomous rudeness" that you always brought on to yourself.
Remember the lengthy arguments you and I used to get into? Well, they resulted in part because of the fact that you and I both were always determined to have the last word. Thankfully, I've rectified that fault in myself, though I can see that you haven't. So to avoid a lengthy slap-down, which takes up space needlessly and benefits nobody, this will be my last post to you. I will let you have the last word. That's just the kind of woman that I am.
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Thank you for being a shining beacon of reform, an example for us all. @@
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Oh for goodness sake. Put a sock in it.
Your little speech is unnecessary and inappropriate here. We are here to discuss names, and your opinion of family size was not requested.
Your little speech is unnecessary and inappropriate here. We are here to discuss names, and your opinion of family size was not requested.
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I don't want to trample your right to choose--I just want to point out that it IS environmentally irresponsible, as is my right.
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Congrats! When are you due?
My picks would be Oscar Diego & Ariana Sofia.
But I do think Diego would be awesome with your kids.
In case it's twins again:
Oscar Diego & Leo Amadeus
Ariana Sofia & Lydia Eve
ETA: for boys I'd suggest Raphael / Rafael, Gabriel & Nathaniel. For girls, maybe Amaya, Samara or Freya.
Good luck deciding!
My picks would be Oscar Diego & Ariana Sofia.
But I do think Diego would be awesome with your kids.
In case it's twins again:
Oscar Diego & Leo Amadeus
Ariana Sofia & Lydia Eve
ETA: for boys I'd suggest Raphael / Rafael, Gabriel & Nathaniel. For girls, maybe Amaya, Samara or Freya.
Good luck deciding!
This message was edited 3/30/2012, 6:49 AM
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Congratulations. How old are the kids now? :)
Out of the names you mentioned I would go with Leo Emanuel or Leo Amadeus for a boy. For a girl I'm not so sure, but probably Leah Carolina, Ariana Juliet or Emilia Sofia.
I don't think Joseph and Marcus go with the other childrens name (if I remember them correctly). But if I'm remember correctly Oscar, Samuel and Diego are the names you've been thinking about for a while? So maybe Samuel Oscar would be a good combo for you?
And for a girl I know you've been talking about Liliana. I don't like the name at all, but of course it's your choice and you should go with the one you like the most. So if I were to use a combo with Liliana it would be Liliana Sofia or Liliana Juliet with the nickname Lily.
Suggestions:
Thea
Lucia
Noelia
Mathilde
Rebecca
Alicia
Daphne
Clara
Theo
Reuben
Hugo
Benjamin
Victor
Vincent
Gabriel (or did you already had a son with this name?)
Out of the names you mentioned I would go with Leo Emanuel or Leo Amadeus for a boy. For a girl I'm not so sure, but probably Leah Carolina, Ariana Juliet or Emilia Sofia.
I don't think Joseph and Marcus go with the other childrens name (if I remember them correctly). But if I'm remember correctly Oscar, Samuel and Diego are the names you've been thinking about for a while? So maybe Samuel Oscar would be a good combo for you?
And for a girl I know you've been talking about Liliana. I don't like the name at all, but of course it's your choice and you should go with the one you like the most. So if I were to use a combo with Liliana it would be Liliana Sofia or Liliana Juliet with the nickname Lily.
Suggestions:
Thea
Lucia
Noelia
Mathilde
Rebecca
Alicia
Daphne
Clara
Theo
Reuben
Hugo
Benjamin
Victor
Vincent
Gabriel (or did you already had a son with this name?)
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